Discussion:
David Brooks aka the stalking weasel
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Diesel
2017-05-20 14:00:12 UTC
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"David B." <***@nomail.afraid.org> news:ofms3d$bb1$***@dont-email.me
Fri, 19 May 2017 13:34:48 GMT in alt.2600, wrote:

> On 5/17/2017 12:43 PM, burfordTjustice wrote:
>> On Tue, 16 May 2017 17:56:31 +0100
>> "David B." <***@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>
>>> whole HHI team
>>
>> what proof do you have there is more than just him?
>
> I only have Dustin Cook's word - but I believe him on this matter.

You should know by now that burpandfart isn't the brightest bulb in
the set. It's filament burned out a long time ago...

Why do you believe me on this matter, and, not other matters, David?

And why did you try (again) to solicit another to help you deal with
me?

MID: <C87RA.739350$***@fx27.fr7>
http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=149456200100

Just what did you hope to accomplish? They can't help you. Nobody can
help you, David. When are you going to learn that? I feel as if you
owe me, and, until I feel that we're square, Things like this:

http://picpaste.com/RqBgftvA.jpg

And more, will continue, for what you did. I wouldn't help you do
nefarious things to forum sites. I was more than willing to analyze
any malware you could provide a url to, but, I wasn't willing to do
any blackhat hacking for your benefit. And, our email correspondence,
in it's entirely in the order it was sent/received backs my
statements concerning you. I don't care if some individuals are
'afraid' of a .zip file, either. Their loss, I hope you stalk them
with ease, as I've little doubt you will if you think they can be of
use to you.

http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk/bdemail1.zip

For that, you thought it was okay to try and dox me and place myself
and loved ones in danger? Not cool, David. And, like I always said,
your 'apology' and claimed understanding of what you did when you
spoke to Aardvark in person was pure bullshit by you. You just told
him what he wanted to hear (likely because he was within physical
reach of your wrinked old ass and could have done a number on you had
you been honest instead) and tried to bullshit me as well.

So, now that our 'history' is well known, would you care to explain
why you decided to try and dox me the first time? What did you think
you'd accomplish by doing that, David? Why did you go out of your way
to make me an enemy?

Oh, and, btw, I added the rec.photo.digital to this reply which will
generate a new thread. I think the participants of that newsgroup
should be made aware of you and your bad habits. And well, you sort
of invited me with your plead for assistance in dealing with me.


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burfordTjustice
2017-05-20 15:17:21 UTC
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On Sat, 20 May 2017 14:00:12 -0000 (UTC)
Diesel <***@privacy.net> wrote:

> burpandfart


LOL Grade school level..can't expect much from a wire puller/fetcher.
LOL!!
Fakey's Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus ๐Ÿถ็ฌ›
2017-05-21 05:41:21 UTC
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On Sat, 20 May 2017 14:00:12 -0000 (UTC), LO AND BEHOLD; "Diesel
<***@privacy.net>" determined that the following was of great importance
and subsequently decided to freely share it with us in
<***@1klo30J1Jtp.MlnY8MRAj54kBh2.93>:

>"David B." <***@nomail.afraid.org> news:ofms3d$bb1$***@dont-email.me
>Fri, 19 May 2017 13:34:48 GMT in alt.2600, wrote:
>
>>On 5/17/2017 12:43 PM, burfordTjustice wrote:
>>>On Tue, 16 May 2017 17:56:31 +0100 "David B." <***@nomail.afraid.org>
>>>wrote:
>>>>whole HHI team
>>>what proof do you have there is more than just him?
>>I only have Dustin Cook's word - but I believe him on this matter.
>
>You should know by now that burpandfart isn't the brightest bulb in the
>set. It's filament burned out a long time ago...
>
>Why do you believe me on this matter, and, not other matters, David?
>
>And why did you try (again) to solicit another to help you deal with me?
>
>
>MID: <C87RA.739350$***@fx27.fr7>
>http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=149456200100
>
>Just what did you hope to accomplish? They can't help you. Nobody can
>help you, David. When are you going to learn that? I feel as if you owe
>me, and, until I feel that we're square, Things like this:
>
>http://picpaste.com/RqBgftvA.jpg
>
>And more, will continue, for what you did. I wouldn't help you do
>nefarious things to forum sites. I was more than willing to analyze any
>malware you could provide a url to, but, I wasn't willing to do any
>blackhat hacking for your benefit. And, our email correspondence, in
>it's entirely in the order it was sent/received backs my statements
>concerning you. I don't care if some individuals are 'afraid' of a .zip
>file, either. Their loss, I hope you stalk them with ease, as I've
>little doubt you will if you think they can be of use to you.
>
>http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk/bdemail1.zip
>
>For that, you thought it was okay to try and dox me and place myself and
>loved ones in danger? Not cool, David. And, like I always said, your
>'apology' and claimed understanding of what you did when you spoke to
>Aardvark in person was pure bullshit by you. You just told him what he
>wanted to hear (likely because he was within physical reach of your
>wrinked old ass and could have done a number on you had you been honest
>instead) and tried to bullshit me as well.
>
>So, now that our 'history' is well known, would you care to explain why
>you decided to try and dox me the first time? What did you think you'd
>accomplish by doing that, David? Why did you go out of your way to make
>me an enemy?
>
>Oh, and, btw, I added the rec.photo.digital to this reply which will
>generate a new thread. I think the participants of that newsgroup
>should be made aware of you and your bad habits. And well, you sort of
>invited me with your plead for assistance in dealing with me.

you should tell him what version of lame you use to encode your 44.1kHz CDs. it might impress him.

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Diesel
2017-05-21 14:46:53 UTC
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Fakey's Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus =?UTF-8?B?8J+Qtuesmw==?=
<***@127.0.0.1> news:-***@giganews.com
Sun, 21 May 2017 05:41:21 GMT in alt.2600, wrote:

> you should tell him what version of lame you use to encode your
> 44.1kHz CDs. it might impress him.

I'd be wasting my time. You already lost him at encode.
Maybe you can educate him on the amazing sound quality of vinyl?




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Shadow
2017-05-21 15:21:42 UTC
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On Sun, 21 May 2017 14:46:53 -0000 (UTC), Diesel <***@privacy.net>
wrote:

>Fakey's Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus =?UTF-8?B?8J+Qtuesmw==?=
><***@127.0.0.1> news:-***@giganews.com
>Sun, 21 May 2017 05:41:21 GMT in alt.2600, wrote:
>
>> you should tell him what version of lame you use to encode your
>> 44.1kHz CDs. it might impress him.
>
>I'd be wasting my time. You already lost him at encode.
>Maybe you can educate him on the amazing sound quality of vinyl?
>

Diesel, there have been many complaints about your comparing
weasels (delightfully photogenic fun and rabbit loving animals) to the
nefarious BD.
As you can see here:

https://www.rspca.org.uk/..../...../BDvsWeaselAbuse.html

Specially from the Devon branch, who are familiar with his
criminal and drunken activities.
Please correct your headers.
[]'s

PS BD has been training his dog to run off with that page.
Visit it before it's too late.


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Diesel
2017-05-22 01:12:23 UTC
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Shadow <***@dow.br> news:***@4ax.com
Sun, 21 May 2017 15:21:42 GMT in alt.2600, wrote:

> On Sun, 21 May 2017 14:46:53 -0000 (UTC), Diesel <***@privacy.net>
> wrote:
>
>>Fakey's Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus =?UTF-8?B?8J+Qtuesmw==?=
>><***@127.0.0.1>
>>news:-***@giganews.com Sun, 21 May
>>2017 05:41:21 GMT in alt.2600, wrote:
>>
>>> you should tell him what version of lame you use to encode your
>>> 44.1kHz CDs. it might impress him.
>>
>>I'd be wasting my time. You already lost him at encode.
>>Maybe you can educate him on the amazing sound quality of vinyl?
>>
>
> Diesel, there have been many complaints about your comparing
> weasels (delightfully photogenic fun and rabbit loving animals) to
> the nefarious BD.
> As you can see here:
>
> https://www.rspca.org.uk/..../...../BDvsWeaselAbuse.html
>
> Specially from the Devon branch, who are familiar with his
> criminal and drunken activities.
> Please correct your headers.
> []'s
>
> PS BD has been training his dog to run off with that page.
> Visit it before it's too late.
>
>

ROFL!


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burfordTjustice
2017-05-21 15:45:08 UTC
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On Sun, 21 May 2017 14:46:53 -0000 (UTC)
Diesel <***@privacy.net> wrote:

> amazing sound quality of vinyl?


Vinyl is superior to CD and digital
nospam
2017-05-21 15:52:22 UTC
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In article <ofscfo$jcp$***@dont-email.me>, burfordTjustice
<***@tues.uk> wrote:

>
> > amazing sound quality of vinyl?
>
> Vinyl is superior to CD and digital

other way around. digital audio surpasses anything vinyl can do.
burfordTjustice
2017-05-21 15:57:22 UTC
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On Sun, 21 May 2017 11:52:22 -0400
nospam <***@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <ofscfo$jcp$***@dont-email.me>, burfordTjustice
> <***@tues.uk> wrote:
>
> >
> > > amazing sound quality of vinyl?
> >
> > Vinyl is superior to CD and digital
>
> other way around. digital audio surpasses anything vinyl can do.

You got it bassackwards
nospam
2017-05-21 16:40:59 UTC
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In article <ofsd6l$jcp$***@dont-email.me>, burfordTjustice
<***@tues.uk> wrote:

> > >
> > > > amazing sound quality of vinyl?
> > >
> > > Vinyl is superior to CD and digital
> >
> > other way around. digital audio surpasses anything vinyl can do.
>
> You got it bassackwards

no, i definitely don't.
burfordTjustice
2017-05-22 12:06:47 UTC
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On Sun, 21 May 2017 12:40:59 -0400
nospam <***@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <ofsd6l$jcp$***@dont-email.me>, burfordTjustice
> <***@tues.uk> wrote:
>
> > > >
> > > > > amazing sound quality of vinyl?
> > > >
> > > > Vinyl is superior to CD and digital
> > >
> > > other way around. digital audio surpasses anything vinyl can do.
> >
> > You got it bassackwards
>
> no, i definitely don't.

You may believe as you wish...dustin is looking for a roomy.
Fakey's Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus ๐Ÿถ็ฌ›
2017-05-21 17:02:51 UTC
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On Sun, 21 May 2017 11:45:08 -0400, LO AND BEHOLD; "burfordTjustice
<***@tues.uk>" determined that the following was of great
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<ofscfo$jcp$***@dont-email.me>:

>On Sun, 21 May 2017 14:46:53 -0000 (UTC) Diesel <***@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>>amazing sound quality of vinyl?
>
>Vinyl is superior to CD and digital
>

"Vinyl is the only consumer playback format we have that's fully analog and fully lossless," Gonsalves said. "You just need a decent turntable with a decent needle on it and you're going to enjoy a full-fidelity listening experience. It's a little bit more idiot-proof and a little bit less technical."

The analog format allows for artists to transport their music from magnetic tape to LP to your speakers or headphones without the complications of digital conversion. This, ideally, is the closest one can get to what the artist intended โ€” if the artist recorded on tape and sent the reels over to an engineer like Gonsalves to cut a lacquer master from. But whether its origins are digital or analog (more on this later),

**a vinyl disc should have more musical information than an MP3 file โ€” so it should be an improvement on streaming sites such as YouTube or SoundCloud, especially on a good system.**

<herpderp>

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KOTM, November 2006
Bob Allisat Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker, November 2006
Special Ops Cody Memorial Purple Heart, November 2006
Special Ops Cody Memorial Purple Heart, September 2007
Tony Sidaway Memorial "Drama Queen" Award, November 2006
Busted Urinal Award, April 2007
Order of the Holey Sockpuppet, September 2007
Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle, September 2006
Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle, April 2008
Tinfoil Sombrero, February 2007
AUK Mascot, September 2007
Putting the Awards Out of Order to Screw With the OCD Fuckheads, March 2016
nospam
2017-05-21 18:54:14 UTC
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In article <fKydnVWp8NWmVbzEnZ2dnUU7-***@giganews.com>, Fakey's
Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus ?? <***@127.0.0.1> wrote:

> "Vinyl is the only consumer playback format we have that's fully analog and
> fully lossless," Gonsalves said. "You just need a decent turntable with a
> decent needle on it and you're going to enjoy a full-fidelity listening
> experience. It's a little bit more idiot-proof and a little bit less
> technical."

vinyl is not lossless at all. it's actually quite lossy, much more than
digital is (easily proven mathematically).

> The analog format allows for artists to transport their music from magnetic
> tape to LP to your speakers or headphones without the complications of
> digital conversion. This, ideally, is the closest one can get to what the
> artist intended ย‹ if the artist recorded on tape and sent the reels over to
> an engineer like Gonsalves to cut a lacquer master from. But whether its
> origins are digital or analog (more on this later),

nonsense.

digital will preserve what the artist wanted far, far better than any
analog format.

> **a vinyl disc should have more musical information than an MP3 file ย‹ so it
> should be an improvement on streaming sites such as YouTube or SoundCloud,
> especially on a good system.**

that would depend on the particular song on youtube or soundcloud.

a vinyl record compared with the best that digital can do is the only
valid comparison, not what some random person uploaded to youtube.
Vassilis Spiliopoulos
2017-05-21 19:10:45 UTC
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On 5/21/2017 9:54 PM, nospam wrote:
> In article <fKydnVWp8NWmVbzEnZ2dnUU7-***@giganews.com>, Fakey's
> Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus ?? <***@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
>> "Vinyl is the only consumer playback format we have that's fully analog and
>> fully lossless," Gonsalves said. "You just need a decent turntable with a
>> decent needle on it and you're going to enjoy a full-fidelity listening
>> experience. It's a little bit more idiot-proof and a little bit less
>> technical."
>
> vinyl is not lossless at all. it's actually quite lossy, much more than
> digital is (easily proven mathematically).
>
>> The analog format allows for artists to transport their music from magnetic
>> tape to LP to your speakers or headphones without the complications of
>> digital conversion. This, ideally, is the closest one can get to what the
>> artist intended โ€น if the artist recorded on tape and sent the reels over to
>> an engineer like Gonsalves to cut a lacquer master from. But whether its
>> origins are digital or analog (more on this later),
>
> nonsense.
>
> digital will preserve what the artist wanted far, far better than any
> analog format.
>
>> **a vinyl disc should have more musical information than an MP3 file โ€น so it
>> should be an improvement on streaming sites such as YouTube or SoundCloud,
>> especially on a good system.**
>
> that would depend on the particular song on youtube or soundcloud.
>
> a vinyl record compared with the best that digital can do is the only
> valid comparison, not what some random person uploaded to youtube.
>
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Okay, this must be one of the most avant-garde and off topic messages I
have ever seen on the Usenet.
nospam
2017-05-21 19:24:30 UTC
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In article <ofsons$15c3$***@adenine.netfront.net>, Vassilis Spiliopoulos
<***@vask1lux.de> wrote:

> On 5/21/2017 9:54 PM, nospam wrote:
> > In article <fKydnVWp8NWmVbzEnZ2dnUU7-***@giganews.com>, Fakey's
> > Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus ?? <***@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> >
> >> "Vinyl is the only consumer playback format we have that's fully analog and
> >> fully lossless," Gonsalves said. "You just need a decent turntable with a
> >> decent needle on it and you're going to enjoy a full-fidelity listening
> >> experience. It's a little bit more idiot-proof and a little bit less
> >> technical."
> >
> > vinyl is not lossless at all. it's actually quite lossy, much more than
> > digital is (easily proven mathematically).
> >
> >> The analog format allows for artists to transport their music from magnetic
> >> tape to LP to your speakers or headphones without the complications of
> >> digital conversion. This, ideally, is the closest one can get to what the
> >> artist intended ร if the artist recorded on tape and sent the reels over to
> >> an engineer like Gonsalves to cut a lacquer master from. But whether its
> >> origins are digital or analog (more on this later),
> >
> > nonsense.
> >
> > digital will preserve what the artist wanted far, far better than any
> > analog format.
> >
> >> **a vinyl disc should have more musical information than an MP3 file ร so
> >> it
> >> should be an improvement on streaming sites such as YouTube or SoundCloud,
> >> especially on a good system.**
> >
> > that would depend on the particular song on youtube or soundcloud.
> >
> > a vinyl record compared with the best that digital can do is the only
> > valid comparison, not what some random person uploaded to youtube.
> >
> > ---
> > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
> > http://www.avg.com
> >
> Okay, this must be one of the most avant-garde and off topic messages I
> have ever seen on the Usenet.

your newsreader is *very* broken, because it added your stupid avg
infested signature into the quoted content rather than your content,
making it look like it's part of what i wrote, which i definitely did
not.

avg is garbage as is your newsreader, thunderbird.

relevant headers:
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101
Thunderbird/45.8.0
X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 170521-0, 05/21/2017), Outbound message
X-Antivirus-Status: Clean
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2017-05-21 21:00:56 UTC
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2017-05-21 19:39:25 UTC
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On Sun, 21 May 2017 14:54:14 -0400, LO AND BEHOLD; "nospam
<***@nospam.invalid>" determined that the following was of great
importance and subsequently decided to freely share it with us in
<210520171454143276%***@nospam.invalid>:

>In article <fKydnVWp8NWmVbzEnZ2dnUU7-***@giganews.com>, Fakey's ๐Ÿถ
>Whistle Holder Emeritus ?? <***@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
>>"Vinyl is the only consumer playback format we have that's fully analog
>>and fully lossless," Gonsalves said. "You just need a decent turntable
>>with a decent needle on it and you're going to enjoy a full-fidelity
>>listening experience. It's a little bit more idiot-proof and a little
>>bit less technical."
>
>vinyl is not lossless at all. it's actually quite lossy, much more than
>digital is (easily proven mathematically).

the fact that preamplifiers have equalization and/or tone settings seems to befuddle most of you "propeller-hat" types. that equates to losses from the original signal. the room affects the sound as well.

try again.

>>The analog format allows for artists to transport their music from
>>magnetic tape to LP to your speakers or headphones without the
>>complications of digital conversion. This, ideally, is the closest one
>>can get to what the artist intended ย‹ if the artist recorded on tape
>>and sent the reels over to an engineer like Gonsalves to cut a lacquer
>>master from. But whether its origins are digital or analog (more on this
>>later),
>
>nonsense.
>
>digital will preserve what the artist wanted far, far better than any
>analog format.
>
>>**a vinyl disc should have more musical information than an MP3 file ย‹
>>so it should be an improvement on streaming sites such as YouTube or
>>SoundCloud, especially on a good system.**
>
>that would depend on the particular song on youtube or soundcloud.
>
>a vinyl record compared with the best that digital can do is the only
>valid comparison, not what some random person uploaded to youtube.

"diesel" claims that 44.1kHz sampling rate is ideal to brag about, though.

i agree that a 320kHz and greater sample rate will beat out vinyl. this broken-brained diesel idiot, however, believes that recording an analog signal at 48kHz sampling rate and 32-bit float frames is WORSE than a lame-encoded mp3 of his from a 44.1kHz sample-rate CD that he plans on sharing with criminals on torrent.

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Shadow
2017-05-21 23:48:00 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 21 May 2017 14:54:14 -0400, nospam <***@nospam.invalid>
wrote:

>In article <fKydnVWp8NWmVbzEnZ2dnUU7-***@giganews.com>, Fakey's
>Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus ?? <***@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
>> "Vinyl is the only consumer playback format we have that's fully analog and
>> fully lossless," Gonsalves said. "You just need a decent turntable with a
>> decent needle on it and you're going to enjoy a full-fidelity listening
>> experience. It's a little bit more idiot-proof and a little bit less
>> technical."
>
>vinyl is not lossless at all. it's actually quite lossy, much more than
>digital is (easily proven mathematically).
>
>> The analog format allows for artists to transport their music from magnetic
>> tape to LP to your speakers or headphones without the complications of
>> digital conversion. This, ideally, is the closest one can get to what the
>> artist intended ย‹ if the artist recorded on tape and sent the reels over to
>> an engineer like Gonsalves to cut a lacquer master from. But whether its
>> origins are digital or analog (more on this later),
>
>nonsense.
>
>digital will preserve what the artist wanted far, far better than any
>analog format.
>
>> **a vinyl disc should have more musical information than an MP3 file ย‹ so it
>> should be an improvement on streaming sites such as YouTube or SoundCloud,
>> especially on a good system.**
>
>that would depend on the particular song on youtube or soundcloud.
>
>a vinyl record compared with the best that digital can do is the only
>valid comparison, not what some random person uploaded to youtube.

YouTube is usually crappy 96 kb/s.
I encode my MP3's to lame q2 (about 190 kb/s variable). Can't
distinguish it from 320 kb/s constant, and the files are smaller.
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nospam
2017-05-21 23:56:56 UTC
Permalink
In article <***@4ax.com>, Shadow
<***@dow.br> wrote:

> YouTube is usually crappy 96 kb/s.

that's definitely crappy.

> I encode my MP3's to lame q2 (about 190 kb/s variable). Can't
> distinguish it from 320 kb/s constant, and the files are smaller.

in encode at 256k or 320k fixed. disk space is cheap.
Diesel
2017-05-22 01:12:26 UTC
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nospam <***@nospam.invalid> news:210520171956563030%
***@nospam.invalid Sun, 21 May 2017 23:56:56 GMT in
rec.photo.digital, wrote:

> In article <***@4ax.com>, Shadow
> <***@dow.br> wrote:
>
>> YouTube is usually crappy 96 kb/s.
>
> that's definitely crappy.
>
>> I encode my MP3's to lame q2 (about 190 kb/s variable). Can't
>> distinguish it from 320 kb/s constant, and the files are smaller.
>
> in encode at 256k or 320k fixed. disk space is cheap.
>

fixed? So you encode silence with the same bitrate as other sounds and
voices which may not be able to take advantage of either 256k or 320k
to sample them on the encoding? Space is cheap, but, why waste it like
that? It's not as if you're actually benefiting from the decision. In
fact, you're wasting not only space, but cpu cycles as well.




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2017-05-22 01:35:25 UTC
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On Mon, 22 May 2017 01:12:26 -0000 (UTC), LO AND BEHOLD; "Diesel
<***@privacy.net>" determined that the following was of great importance
and subsequently decided to freely share it with us in
<***@bvT1be.XCeThKOKg0gN6dSwm8vXdVzviz5rzr0AZi9de2985>:


>nospam <***@nospam.invalid> news:210520171956563030%
>***@nospam.invalid Sun, 21 May 2017 23:56:56 GMT in
>rec.photo.digital, wrote:
>
>>In article <***@4ax.com>, Shadow
>><***@dow.br> wrote:
>>>YouTube is usually crappy 96 kb/s.
>>that's definitely crappy.
>>>I encode my MP3's to lame q2 (about 190 kb/s variable). Can't
>>>distinguish it from 320 kb/s constant, and the files are smaller.
>>in encode at 256k or 320k fixed. disk space is cheap.
>
>fixed? So you encode silence with the same bitrate as other sounds and
>voices which may not be able to take advantage of either 256k or 320k
>to sample them on the encoding? Space is cheap, but, why waste it like
>that? It's not as if you're actually benefiting from the decision. In
>fact, you're wasting not only space, but cpu cycles as well.

that's not as bad as compressing 44.1kHz sample rate recordings even more than they already are compressed and then claiming that it's "better" than a 48kHz recording of virgin vinyl through a $500+ audiophile/archivist grade cartridge/stylus/tonearm combo.

...and now you're counting cpu cycles??! are you on a timeshare and speaking to us from 1994?

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"If I have a complaint about the (Southern Poverty) Law Center's description (of the alt-right movement), it is the phrase "heavy use of social media," which implies the alt-right is a real-world movement which uses a lot of social media. This is backwards: it is an online movement which occasionally appears in the real world. Where it gets punched." - Jason Rhode

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Special Ops Cody Memorial Purple Heart, November 2006
Special Ops Cody Memorial Purple Heart, September 2007
Tony Sidaway Memorial "Drama Queen" Award, November 2006
Busted Urinal Award, April 2007
Order of the Holey Sockpuppet, September 2007
Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle, September 2006
Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle, April 2008
Tinfoil Sombrero, February 2007
AUK Mascot, September 2007
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Diesel
2017-05-22 04:54:58 UTC
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Fakey's Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus =?UTF-8?B?8J+Qtuesmw==?=
<***@127.0.0.1> news:ALSdnZZEdb3A3b_EnZ2dnUU7-***@giganews.com
Mon, 22 May 2017 01:35:25 GMT in alt.2600, wrote:

> On Mon, 22 May 2017 01:12:26 -0000 (UTC), LO AND BEHOLD; "Diesel
> <***@privacy.net>" determined that the following was of great
> importance and subsequently decided to freely share it with us in
> <***@bvT1be.XCeThKOKg0gN6dSwm8vXdVzviz5rzr0AZi9de29
> 85>:
>
>
>>nospam <***@nospam.invalid> news:210520171956563030%
>>***@nospam.invalid Sun, 21 May 2017 23:56:56 GMT in
>>rec.photo.digital, wrote:
>>
>>>In article <***@4ax.com>, Shadow
>>><***@dow.br> wrote:
>>>>YouTube is usually crappy 96 kb/s.
>>>that's definitely crappy.
>>>>I encode my MP3's to lame q2 (about 190 kb/s variable). Can't
>>>>distinguish it from 320 kb/s constant, and the files are
>>>>smaller.
>>>in encode at 256k or 320k fixed. disk space is cheap.
>>
>>fixed? So you encode silence with the same bitrate as other sounds
>>and voices which may not be able to take advantage of either 256k
>>or 320k to sample them on the encoding? Space is cheap, but, why
>>waste it like that? It's not as if you're actually benefiting from
>>the decision. In fact, you're wasting not only space, but cpu
>>cycles as well.
>
> that's not as bad as compressing 44.1kHz sample rate recordings
> even more than they already are compressed and then claiming that
> it's "better" than a 48kHz recording of virgin vinyl through a
> $500+ audiophile/archivist grade cartridge/stylus/tonearm combo.

As I've told you before, even if the container file is setup to
retain 48k sample rate, your ORIGINAL SOURCE material, an analog
record, doesn't have it. You can't get something from nothing. How
hard is that for you to understand?




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2017-05-22 05:22:47 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 22 May 2017 04:54:58 -0000 (UTC), LO AND BEHOLD; "Diesel
<***@privacy.net>" determined that the following was of great importance
and subsequently decided to freely share it with us in
<***@vAr9Pz.Pqz.7Khf7Ow0T6d9vfP>:

>Fakey's ๐Ÿถ Whistle Holder Emeritus =?UTF-8?B?8J+Qtuesmw==?=
><***@127.0.0.1> news:ALSdnZZEdb3A3b_EnZ2dnUU7-***@giganews.com
>Mon, 22 May 2017 01:35:25 GMT in alt.2600, wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 22 May 2017 01:12:26 -0000 (UTC), LO AND BEHOLD; "Diesel
>><***@privacy.net>" determined that the following was of great importance
>>and subsequently decided to freely share it with us in
>><***@bvT1be.XCeThKOKg0gN6dSwm8vXdVzviz5rzr0AZi9de29
>>85>:
>>>nospam <***@nospam.invalid> news:210520171956563030%
>>>***@nospam.invalid Sun, 21 May 2017 23:56:56 GMT in
>>>rec.photo.digital, wrote:
>>>>In article <***@4ax.com>, Shadow
>>>><***@dow.br> wrote:
>>>>>YouTube is usually crappy 96 kb/s.
>>>>that's definitely crappy.
>>>>>I encode my MP3's to lame q2 (about 190 kb/s variable). Can't
>>>>>distinguish it from 320 kb/s constant, and the files are smaller.
>>>>in encode at 256k or 320k fixed. disk space is cheap.
>>>fixed? So you encode silence with the same bitrate as other sounds and
>>>voices which may not be able to take advantage of either 256k or 320k
>>>to sample them on the encoding? Space is cheap, but, why waste it like
>>>that? It's not as if you're actually benefiting from the decision. In
>>>fact, you're wasting not only space, but cpu cycles as well.
>>that's not as bad as compressing 44.1kHz sample rate recordings even
>>more than they already are compressed and then claiming that it's
>>"better" than a 48kHz recording of virgin vinyl through a $500+
>>audiophile/archivist grade cartridge/stylus/tonearm combo.
>
>As I've told you before, even if the container file is setup to retain
>48k sample rate, your ORIGINAL SOURCE material, an analog record,
>doesn't have it. You can't get something from nothing. How hard is that
>for you to understand?

is there a reason you're trying to confound sample rate with dynamic frequency response?

is it because you don't understand how digital recording works versus analog?

it's not the same thing.

when you take an analog REAL LIFE signal and start ignoring everything except what the signal is at each point on a 44.1kHz sampling frequency timeline you lose data. that's how digital works. i'm laughing at your inability to distinguish this from a pure analog signal that has no "gaps" in the samples at such a low frequency... you know... 44.1kHz:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/44,100_Hz

"Human hearing and signal processing[edit]
The Nyquistโ€“Shannon sampling theorem says the sampling frequency must be greater than twice the maximum frequency one wishes to reproduce. Since human hearing range is roughly 20 Hz to 20,000 Hz, the sampling rate had to be greater than 40 kHz.
In addition, signals must be low-pass filtered before sampling to avoid aliasing. While an ideal low-pass filter would perfectly pass frequencies below 20 kHz (without attenuating them) and perfectly cut off frequencies above 20 kHz, in practice a transition band is necessary, where frequencies are partly attenuated. The wider this transition band is, the easier and more economical it is to make an anti-aliasing filter. The 44.1 kHz sampling frequency allows for a 2.05 kHz transition band.
In addition, 44,100 is the product of the squares of the first four prime numbers (2^2 * 3^2 * 5^2 * 7^2) and hence has many useful small factors."

they have to low-pass filter anything before sampling!!! ALTERING THE ORIGINAL SIGNAL!!!!! OMFG!!!!!!

you're so fucking stupid that it hurts me to laugh at you!

true analog has a near-infinite sampling frequency. this is analogous to the physical bumps being tracked by a stylus OR with tape - the density of the molecules that hold the magnetic charge.

those were all improved upon over decades but 44.1kHz sampling has been the same the whole fucking time.

LOL

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampling_(signal_processing)

diesel, would you like to bow out now before you make a complete ass out of yourself for the next several decades?

you aren't a musician. you aren't a studio engineer... you're a goof who steals music and tries to find ways to "avenge" the "duped recording artists" who knowingly sign their rights to the recording industry that you hate so much.

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-

"If I have a complaint about the (Southern Poverty) Law Center's description (of the alt-right movement), it is the phrase "heavy use of social media," which implies the alt-right is a real-world movement which uses a lot of social media. This is backwards: it is an online movement which occasionally appears in the real world. Where it gets punched." - Jason Rhode

-

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KOTM, November 2006
Bob Allisat Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker, November 2006
Special Ops Cody Memorial Purple Heart, November 2006
Special Ops Cody Memorial Purple Heart, September 2007
Tony Sidaway Memorial "Drama Queen" Award, November 2006
Busted Urinal Award, April 2007
Order of the Holey Sockpuppet, September 2007
Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle, September 2006
Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle, April 2008
Tinfoil Sombrero, February 2007
AUK Mascot, September 2007
Putting the Awards Out of Order to Screw With the OCD Fuckheads, March 2016
David B.
2017-05-22 06:58:51 UTC
Permalink
On 5/22/2017 6:22 AM, Fakey's Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus ๐Ÿถ็ฌ› wrote:
> On Mon, 22 May 2017 04:54:58 -0000 (UTC), LO AND BEHOLD; "Diesel
> <***@privacy.net>" determined that the following was of great importance
> and subsequently decided to freely share it with us in
> <***@vAr9Pz.Pqz.7Khf7Ow0T6d9vfP>:
>
>> Fakey's ๐Ÿถ Whistle Holder Emeritus =?UTF-8?B?8J+Qtuesmw==?=
>> <***@127.0.0.1> news:ALSdnZZEdb3A3b_EnZ2dnUU7-***@giganews.com
>> Mon, 22 May 2017 01:35:25 GMT in alt.2600, wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 22 May 2017 01:12:26 -0000 (UTC), LO AND BEHOLD; "Diesel
>>> <***@privacy.net>" determined that the following was of great importance
>>> and subsequently decided to freely share it with us in
>>> <***@bvT1be.XCeThKOKg0gN6dSwm8vXdVzviz5rzr0AZi9de29
>>> 85>:
>>>> nospam <***@nospam.invalid> news:210520171956563030%
>>>> ***@nospam.invalid Sun, 21 May 2017 23:56:56 GMT in
>>>> rec.photo.digital, wrote:
>>>>> In article <***@4ax.com>, Shadow
>>>>> <***@dow.br> wrote:
>>>>>> YouTube is usually crappy 96 kb/s.
>>>>> that's definitely crappy.
>>>>>> I encode my MP3's to lame q2 (about 190 kb/s variable). Can't
>>>>>> distinguish it from 320 kb/s constant, and the files are smaller.
>>>>> in encode at 256k or 320k fixed. disk space is cheap.
>>>> fixed? So you encode silence with the same bitrate as other sounds and
>>>> voices which may not be able to take advantage of either 256k or 320k
>>>> to sample them on the encoding? Space is cheap, but, why waste it like
>>>> that? It's not as if you're actually benefiting from the decision. In
>>>> fact, you're wasting not only space, but cpu cycles as well.
>>> that's not as bad as compressing 44.1kHz sample rate recordings even
>>> more than they already are compressed and then claiming that it's
>>> "better" than a 48kHz recording of virgin vinyl through a $500+
>>> audiophile/archivist grade cartridge/stylus/tonearm combo.
>>
>> As I've told you before, even if the container file is setup to retain
>> 48k sample rate, your ORIGINAL SOURCE material, an analog record,
>> doesn't have it. You can't get something from nothing. How hard is that
>> for you to understand?
>
> is there a reason you're trying to confound sample rate with dynamic frequency response?
>
> is it because you don't understand how digital recording works versus analog?
>
> it's not the same thing.
>
> when you take an analog REAL LIFE signal and start ignoring everything except what the signal is at each point on a 44.1kHz sampling frequency timeline you lose data. that's how digital works. i'm laughing at your inability to distinguish this from a pure analog signal that has no "gaps" in the samples at such a low frequency... you know... 44.1kHz:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/44,100_Hz
>
> "Human hearing and signal processing[edit]
> The Nyquistโ€“Shannon sampling theorem says the sampling frequency must be greater than twice the maximum frequency one wishes to reproduce. Since human hearing range is roughly 20 Hz to 20,000 Hz, the sampling rate had to be greater than 40 kHz.
> In addition, signals must be low-pass filtered before sampling to avoid aliasing. While an ideal low-pass filter would perfectly pass frequencies below 20 kHz (without attenuating them) and perfectly cut off frequencies above 20 kHz, in practice a transition band is necessary, where frequencies are partly attenuated. The wider this transition band is, the easier and more economical it is to make an anti-aliasing filter. The 44.1 kHz sampling frequency allows for a 2.05 kHz transition band.
> In addition, 44,100 is the product of the squares of the first four prime numbers (2^2 * 3^2 * 5^2 * 7^2) and hence has many useful small factors."
>
> they have to low-pass filter anything before sampling!!! ALTERING THE ORIGINAL SIGNAL!!!!! OMFG!!!!!!
>
> you're so fucking stupid that it hurts me to laugh at you!
>
> true analog has a near-infinite sampling frequency. this is analogous to the physical bumps being tracked by a stylus OR with tape - the density of the molecules that hold the magnetic charge.
>
> those were all improved upon over decades but 44.1kHz sampling has been the same the whole fucking time.
>
> LOL
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampling_(signal_processing)
>
> diesel, would you like to bow out now before you make a complete ass out of yourself for the next several decades?
>
> you aren't a musician. you aren't a studio engineer... *you're a goof who steals music* and tries to find ways to "avenge" the "duped recording artists" who knowingly sign their rights to the recording industry that you hate so much.


A spot-on assessment! :-)
Shadow
2017-05-22 13:42:48 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 22 May 2017 07:58:51 +0100, "David B."
<***@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

>A spot-on assessment! :-)

Say the "bad guy" that downloads (shitty quality) music from
YouTube and does NOT pay the artists for their work.
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David B.
2017-05-22 13:55:48 UTC
Permalink
On 5/22/2017 2:42 PM, Shadow *LIED* - *AGAIN*!

> On Mon, 22 May 2017 07:58:51 +0100, "David B."
> <***@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>
>> A spot-on assessment! :-)
>
> Say the "bad guy" that downloads (shitty quality) music from
> YouTube and does NOT pay the artists for their work.

If the *GOOD GUY*, David B., wants music, he *BUYS* it!

You will NEVER succeed in life by LYING, Shadow.

HTH

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Shadow
2017-05-22 14:20:12 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 22 May 2017 14:55:48 +0100, "David B."
<***@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

>On 5/22/2017 2:42 PM, Shadow *LIED* - *AGAIN*!
>
>> On Mon, 22 May 2017 07:58:51 +0100, "David B."
>> <***@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>
>>> A spot-on assessment! :-)
>>
>> Say the "bad guy" that downloads (shitty quality) music from
>> YouTube and does NOT pay the artists for their work.
>
>If the *GOOD GUY*, David B., wants music, he *BUYS* it!

Why do you post links to music from YouTube then ?
Do I really need to post the MSG-IDs ?

How much did you pay the artists for them ?
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burfordTjustice
2017-05-22 14:48:00 UTC
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On Mon, 22 May 2017 11:20:12 -0300
Shadow <***@dow.br> wrote:

> How much did you pay the artists for them ?

Same amount as you
Shadow
2017-05-22 14:57:28 UTC
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On Mon, 22 May 2017 10:48:00 -0400, burfordTjustice
<***@tues.uk> wrote:

>On Mon, 22 May 2017 11:20:12 -0300
>Shadow <***@dow.br> wrote:

>><re BD freeloading music from Youtube>
>
>> How much did you pay the artists for them ?
>
>Same amount as you

True, not a cent of the cash I spend buying legal CDs goes to
the artist.
The RIAA takes it all.
See the recent scandal in Brazil. The RIAA even dodged paying
tax by declaring only a third of the CDs they actually sold.
[]'s

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burfordTjustice
2017-05-22 15:06:47 UTC
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On Mon, 22 May 2017 11:57:28 -0300
Shadow <***@dow.br> wrote:

> True, not a cent of the cash I spend buying legal CDs goes to
> the artist.
> The RIAA takes it all.

Proof?

Oh wait you mean you don't buy any Cds legally?
Fakey's Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus ๐Ÿถ็ฌ›
2017-05-22 17:06:50 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 22 May 2017 11:06:47 -0400, LO AND BEHOLD; "burfordTjustice
<***@tues.uk>" determined that the following was of great
importance and subsequently decided to freely share it with us in
<ofuujr$f9o$***@dont-email.me>:

>On Mon, 22 May 2017 11:57:28 -0300 Shadow <***@dow.br> wrote:
>
>>True, not a cent of the cash I spend buying legal CDs goes to the
>>artist. The RIAA takes it all.
>
>Proof?
>
>Oh wait you mean you don't buy any Cds legally?
>

ITYM: "can't afford"

what's up with dustin's cut-n-paste anti-vinyl propaganda in response to my allegations that he doesn't understand that analog sources are better than digital seeing as they aren't "digitized"?

"that boy ain't right"

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burfordTjustice
2017-05-22 20:20:06 UTC
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On Mon, 22 May 2017 12:06:50 -0500
Fakey's Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus ๐Ÿถ็ฌ› <***@127.0.0.1> wrote:

> On Mon, 22 May 2017 11:06:47 -0400, LO AND BEHOLD; "burfordTjustice
> <***@tues.uk>" determined that the following was of great
> importance and subsequently decided to freely share it with us in
> <ofuujr$f9o$***@dont-email.me>:
>
> >On Mon, 22 May 2017 11:57:28 -0300 Shadow <***@dow.br> wrote:
> >
> >>True, not a cent of the cash I spend buying legal CDs goes to the
> >>artist. The RIAA takes it all.
> >
> >Proof?
> >
> >Oh wait you mean you don't buy any Cds legally?
> >
>
> ITYM: "can't afford"
>
> what's up with dustin's cut-n-paste anti-vinyl propaganda in response
> to my allegations that he doesn't understand that analog sources are
> better than digital seeing as they aren't "digitized"?
>
> "that boy ain't right"
>

That is dustin, he is always right no matter what. If you say the sky is
blue today he will argue otherwise...
and nothing is ever his fault..EVER.
Why he even claims to have fired 10,000 rounds in one
afternoon with a Henry lever action .22 rifle.

LMFAO!
Fakey's Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus ๐Ÿถ็ฌ›
2017-05-22 20:37:38 UTC
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On Mon, 22 May 2017 16:20:06 -0400, LO AND BEHOLD; "burfordTjustice
<***@tues.uk>" determined that the following was of great
importance and subsequently decided to freely share it with us in
<ofvgva$fgl$***@dont-email.me>:

>On Mon, 22 May 2017 12:06:50 -0500 Fakey's ๐Ÿถ Whistle Holder Emeritus
>๐Ÿถ็ฌ› <***@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 22 May 2017 11:06:47 -0400, LO AND BEHOLD; "burfordTjustice
>><***@tues.uk>" determined that the following was of great
>>importance and subsequently decided to freely share it with us in
>><ofuujr$f9o$***@dont-email.me>:
>>>On Mon, 22 May 2017 11:57:28 -0300 Shadow <***@dow.br> wrote:
>>>>True, not a cent of the cash I spend buying legal CDs goes to the
>>>>artist. The RIAA takes it all.
>>>Proof? Oh wait you mean you don't buy any Cds legally?
>>ITYM: "can't afford" what's up with dustin's cut-n-paste anti-vinyl
>>propaganda in response to my allegations that he doesn't understand
>>that analog sources are better than digital seeing as they aren't
>>"digitized"? "that boy ain't right"
>
>That is dustin, he is always right no matter what. If you say the sky is
>blue today he will argue otherwise... and nothing is ever his
>fault..EVER. Why he even claims to have fired 10,000 rounds in one
>afternoon with a Henry lever action .22 rifle.
>
>LMFAO!

wow, i bet that overheated barrel was shooting like shit after the first 100 rounds! imagine cleaning up all of that brass afterward!

LOL should we (TINW) just assume that he "definitely" has a "rilly hawt wife" and drives a rare one-off lotus?

i would expect nothing less than a "superstar lifestyle" for someone who has taken it upon himself to steal from ----I'M SORRY "infringe upon the rights of"---- some artists who make a deliberate choice to work with the RIAA.

his selfless and untiring efforts to rip off musicians and labels over something that doesn't even affect him personally would indicate that he must surely be well respected among his peers!

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Bob Allisat Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker, November 2006
Special Ops Cody Memorial Purple Heart, November 2006
Special Ops Cody Memorial Purple Heart, September 2007
Tony Sidaway Memorial "Drama Queen" Award, November 2006
Busted Urinal Award, April 2007
Order of the Holey Sockpuppet, September 2007
Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle, September 2006
Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle, April 2008
Tinfoil Sombrero, February 2007
AUK Mascot, September 2007
Putting the Awards Out of Order to Screw With the OCD Fuckheads, March 2016
Diesel
2017-05-23 00:45:18 UTC
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<***@127.0.0.1> news:MsOdnWAFv_mP0b7EnZ2dnUU7-***@giganews.com
Mon, 22 May 2017 20:37:38 GMT in alt.2600, wrote:

> his selfless and untiring efforts to rip off musicians and labels
> over something that doesn't even affect him personally would
> indicate that he must surely be well respected among his peers!

You don't see much of any support here for you, do you? :)




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burfordTjustice
2017-05-23 11:55:38 UTC
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On Tue, 23 May 2017 00:45:18 -0000 (UTC)
Diesel <***@privacy.net> wrote:

You don't see much of any support here for you, do you? :)
Diesel
2017-05-22 16:37:50 UTC
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Shadow <***@dow.br> news:***@4ax.com Mon, 22 May 2017 13:42:48 GMT in alt.2600, wrote:

> On Mon, 22 May 2017 07:58:51 +0100, "David B."
> <***@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>
>>A spot-on assessment! :-)
>
> Say the "bad guy" that downloads (shitty quality) music from
> YouTube and does NOT pay the artists for their work.
> []'s

Don't forget he contributes material he altered and damaged in the
process that he has no rights to as well. And then proceeds to
challenge the owner of the material on whether or not they can prove
they own it. when they respond that they can, he doesn't question
the reply, but, attempts to change the subject matter, instead.

Reply: Google already know that you are involved with propagating
illegal music via your efforts with HHI - Happy Hacker Industries.
Google will, I'm absolutely sure, welcome your 'complaint' with
open arms! :-) Please 'give it a whirl', Dustin!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkcrTBG_M-Y&feature=em-comments

https://www.google.com/#q=hhi+mp3+torrent

https://www.google.com/#q=boaterdave+hhi

They seem real concerned, don't they? :)

http://alt.politics.scorched-earth.narkive.com/FRHxhulo/ping-bd-poor-artists-what-the-public-thinks-of-hhi-s-work#post4

Dear Prime Minister:

My name is Boater Dave. I'd like to report an American citizen that has
the unmitigated audacity to actually post mp3 music files on a site
called "The Pirate Bay". I can not see the site of course, as in your
unquestionable wisdom has banned it from our fine limey countryman. It's
a good thing you ban sites like that, and now pornographic sites as well,
I feel *so* much safer now!

Please call your American counterpart (Mr. Obama) and tell him about this
criminal guy named Dustin. Enclosed is truth that can not be questioned
because the comments were posted on Usenet. You can trace the people, I
know this because I'm a private security consultant (I didn't bother
getting training or licenses - I figured everything out myself). If you
could see fit to make sure these American hooligans (the commentators as
well) are locked away for a lifetime I would be grateful. I suppose
you'll need to see the proof for yourself the next time to travel to a
free country that does not censor the Internet (bravo Sir!). May I
recommend a "Great Firewall" like China has for us too?

I applaud your decision to ride the coattails of our US friends by
cooperating unquestionably. Our role in the US NSA operations lead by
the yanks will certainly prevent a disaster. I don't care if my privacy
is invaded because one day some terrorist will screw up and use Skype. I
know this because I'm a security consultant, you should call me one day
to discuss ideas I have. I am always on the lookout online to prevent
crime. I'm pretty sure Ahuma.com and some guy that goes by "Pa Bear" are
members of a terrorist cell for Al-Qaeda.

Yours truly, and thanks for keeping our little island safe from the
American blasphemers (I don't go to church, I know everything about all
that stuff anyway).

~The Boater


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2017-05-23 00:45:20 UTC
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Diesel <***@privacy.net>
news:***@vAr9Pz.Pqz.7Khf7Ow0T6d9vfP Mon, 22 May 2017
16:37:50 GMT in alt.2600, wrote:

> Shadow <***@dow.br> news:***@4ax.com
> Mon, 22 May 2017 13:42:48 GMT in alt.2600, wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 22 May 2017 07:58:51 +0100, "David B."
>> <***@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>
>>>A spot-on assessment! :-)
>>
>> Say the "bad guy" that downloads (shitty quality) music from
>> YouTube and does NOT pay the artists for their work.
>> []'s
>
> Don't forget he contributes material he altered and damaged in the
> process that he has no rights to as well. And then proceeds to
> challenge the owner of the material on whether or not they can
> prove they own it. when they respond that they can, he doesn't
> question the reply, but, attempts to change the subject matter,
> instead.
>
> Reply: Google already know that you are involved with propagating
> illegal music via your efforts with HHI - Happy Hacker
> Industries. Google will, I'm absolutely sure, welcome your
> 'complaint' with open arms! :-) Please 'give it a whirl', Dustin!
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkcrTBG_M-Y&feature=em-comments

Update!

They removed my video. :) They not only welcomed my complaint David,
they acted on it. Video has been deleted. There's a huge difference
between us David. I'm not stupid enough to challenge a copyright
owner if they contact me and request/demand I remove something (if
it's possible to do) that they own.

How did you like the 'whirl' David? :)



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burfordTjustice
2017-05-23 11:54:39 UTC
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On Tue, 23 May 2017 00:45:20 -0000 (UTC)
Diesel <***@privacy.net> wrote:

> I'm not stupid enough to challenge a copyright
> owner if they contact me and request/demand I remove something (if
> it's possible to do) that they own.

Why would you have posted it in the first place?

Or are you talking about a virus written by another?
Diesel
2017-05-22 16:37:50 UTC
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"David B." <***@nomail.afraid.org>
news:ofu20u$k3i$***@dont-email.me Mon, 22 May 2017 06:58:51 GMT in
alt.2600, wrote:

>> *you're a goof who steals music* and tries to find ways to
>> "avenge" the "duped recording artists" who knowingly sign their
>> rights to the recording industry that you hate so much. >
>
> A spot-on assessment! :-)

Only you would think so. And, you wouldn't have any possible reason
to change the subject line and comment about something you know
nothing about, right, stalker dave?

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/steal

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100913/22513210998.shtml
Why It's Important Not To Call Copyright Infringement Theft

Whether we are speaking legally or economically or about the impact
on any individual or organization, "theft" and "infringement" are two
separate and different things. This is important. If you are seeking
to understand what is happening and how to respond to it, calling it
"theft" immediately shuts the door on a variety of important points.
It closes off a path to understanding both what's happening and how
one might best deal with it. I find that incredibly dangerous from
the perspective of a content creator. Calling infringement theft or
not isn't just a semantic argument from people who like to argue.
It's about actually understanding what's going on, and that's simply
not possible when you put up a wall to understanding.

https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=3901205964610715556

According to the Government, the unauthorized use of the musical
compositions rendered the phonorecords "stolen, converted or taken by
fraud" within the meaning of the statute.[7] We
216 *216 must determine, therefore, whether phonorecords that include
the performance of copyrighted musical compositions for the use of
which no authorization has been sought nor royalties paid are
consequently "stolen, converted or taken by fraud" for purposes of รค
2314. We conclude that they are not.

My countries own government doesn't agree with the auk troll, or,
your support of it for the purposes of 'revenge' for some .nfo files
that were released with your personal details, and, of course, that
lovely (british humour) postcard picture. Released because of years
of your stalking efforts towards myself, stalking that YOU initiated
against me because I wouldn't hack web forums and turn over user
account records so you could stalk those individuals, too.

You're a very *bad* man, David Brooks.




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2017-05-22 16:37:49 UTC
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Fakey's Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus =?UTF-8?B?8J+Qtuesmw==?=
<***@127.0.0.1> news:***@giganews.com
Mon, 22 May 2017 05:22:47 GMT in alt.2600, wrote:

> is there a reason you're trying to confound sample rate with
> dynamic frequency response?

http://www.oregonlive.com/music/index.ssf/2014/11/does_vinyl_really_sound_better.html
Vinyl can struggle with highs and lows: High-pitched frequencies
(drum cymbals, hi-hats) and sibilance (think "s" sounds) can cause
the ugly crackle of distortion, while deep bass panned between the
left and right channels can knock around the needle. "It should
basically be in mono," Gonsalves said. Otherwise, "that's a hard
path for a needle to trace."

The beginning of an album side sounds better than the end: As the
album's circumference shrinks toward the middle, the needle speed
changes and it can't follow every millimeter of the groove. If the
song that closes side A or B is a complicated one "say, one with a
busy harmonica solo" it may well sound less than hi-fi. That's why
those double-LPs are worth the extra flipping.

Surface noise: "The warm sound of the vinyl, that's a form of noise
that you get from dealing with the lacquer material and having it go
through this manufacturing process," Gonsalves said. The vinyl
format can generate other issues: crackles and pops, records that
skip and the whine of a needle against the LP, all problems that the
CD advertised itself on solving decades ago. But for many, these
sounds are just part of the vinyl experience, adding to the charm of
a format that takes some extra effort and often rewards it.

http://www.kirkville.com/do-vinyl-records-sound-better-than-cds-spoiler-nope/
Audiophiles tout the higher frequency response of vinyl over CDs,
saying that vinyl can play back those frequencies that we canย’t
hear.[2] First, this is only true with a pristine record, a perfect
stylus, and a high-end stereo system; in most cases, vinylย’s
frequency range is lower than that of CDs. Bear in mind that needles
used to play records are made of diamonds, a very hard substance,
and each play of a record wears it out a bit. This wear results in
lower frequency response and lower overall fidelity. Stereo
separation is poor on vinyl; there is spillover from one channel to
the other, which is an inherent weakness of the playback process.
And, because of RIAA equalization[3], the sound on a recording is
manipulated, both for pressing, to reduce low frequencies, and for
playback, to attempt to restore them.


But thereย’s another problem with vinyl that most people donย’t
consider. The first grooves on an LP offer 510 mm of vinyl per
second, but as you get to the end of a side, thereย’s only around 200
mm per second; less than half the resolution. This is similar to the
difference in tape speeds dropping from, say, 15 ips (inches per
second) to 7.5 ips. Anyone who has worked with tapes knows that this
speed difference results in much lower fidelity. Back in the LP
days, musicians would argue about who got their songs on the
beginnings of sides, and the music you listen to on an LP gets lower
in quality as you get closer to the center.


Do Vinyl Records Sound Better than CDs? (Spoiler: Nope)

Most people, when discussing vinyl, talk about an "analog sound",
saying that vinyl sounds "warmer" or "richer" than digital. It does;
because there is less frequency response (poorer reproduction of
high frequencies), and more distortion. Just as tube amps may sound
"better" because of the distortion they introduce into playback, the
same is true for vinyl. That "warmth" you hear is simply the poor
quality of the playback; the distortion caused by the analog chain,
and its lack of detail.

> is it because you don't understand how digital recording works
> versus analog?

Actually, at this point, I'm fairly certain we've been able to
establish that it's YOU who doesn't understand how analog OR digital
audio technologies actually work.

> you're so fucking stupid that it hurts me to laugh at you!

Well, heh, one of us is considerably fucking ignorant on this
subject. I'll leave it upto the readers to decide which one of us it
is, though. :)

> Diesel, would you like to bow out now before you make a complete
> ass out of yourself for the next several decades?

Since when does an AUK troll offer a white flag? ROFL! Nice try, but
I'm not the one who should have considered bowing out, posts ago.

> you aren't a musician.

Nope.

> you aren't a studio engineer

No need for me to be a studio engineer to know that you're full
of shit concerning vinyl records being superior to that of CD. :)

They aren't. They *never* have been. So when you save the poorly
degraded analog signal coming from one into one of your 48k Audacity
(heh, you can't afford more advanced software? Audacity is nice,
but, it's not exactly the bomb in so far as audio production goes)
project files you aren't gaining what you think you are. You *are*
wasting storage space for no real gain, though. Your 'source' isn't
able to take advantage of what you're offering to save it into. You
might as well be using composite in video capture, and, saving the
result to a bluray, for playback on a 90inch 4k flat screen. It'll
look fantastic!

>... you're a goof who steals music and tries to find ways to "avenge" the
> "duped recording artists" who knowingly sign their rights to the
> recording industry that you hate so much.


https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/steal

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100913/22513210998.shtml
Why It's Important Not To Call Copyright Infringement Theft

Whether we are speaking legally or economically or about the impact
on any individual or organization, "theft" and "infringement" are two
separate and different things. This is important. If you are seeking
to understand what is happening and how to respond to it, calling it
"theft" immediately shuts the door on a variety of important points.
It closes off a path to understanding both what's happening and how
one might best deal with it. I find that incredibly dangerous from
the perspective of a content creator. Calling infringement theft or
not isn't just a semantic argument from people who like to argue.
It's about actually understanding what's going on, and that's simply
not possible when you put up a wall to understanding.

https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=3901205964610715556

According to the Government, the unauthorized use of the musical
compositions rendered the phonorecords "stolen, converted or taken by
fraud" within the meaning of the statute.[7] We
216 *216 must determine, therefore, whether phonorecords that include
the performance of copyrighted musical compositions for the use of
which no authorization has been sought nor royalties paid are
consequently "stolen, converted or taken by fraud" for purposes of รต
2314. We conclude that they are not.

I told you to lookup the word, steal, sometime. Whenever it was
convenient for you.

Those remaining artists who sign on the line are expecting that
with the RIAA's help, they will be making money, eventually. Which
never happens. They do this because they wrongly assume that they
need the RIAA to get their music out there, and, the RIAA doesn't
tell them differently.

If you're a lover of the RIAA, You *aren't* for the artists.


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nospam
2017-05-22 01:55:21 UTC
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In article
<***@bvT1be.XCeThKOKg0gN6dSwm8vXdVzviz5rzr0AZi9de2985>,
Diesel <***@privacy.net> wrote:

> >
> >> I encode my MP3's to lame q2 (about 190 kb/s variable). Can't
> >> distinguish it from 320 kb/s constant, and the files are smaller.
> >
> > in encode at 256k or 320k fixed. disk space is cheap.
> >
>
> fixed? So you encode silence with the same bitrate as other sounds and
> voices which may not be able to take advantage of either 256k or 320k
> to sample them on the encoding? Space is cheap, but, why waste it like
> that? It's not as if you're actually benefiting from the decision. In
> fact, you're wasting not only space, but cpu cycles as well.

both are cheap.

it's *significantly* easier to downsample if needed than re-encode all
over again at a higher rate.
Diesel
2017-05-22 04:54:56 UTC
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nospam <***@nospam.invalid>
news:210520172155219312%***@nospam.invalid Mon, 22 May 2017
01:55:21 GMT in alt.2600, wrote:

> In article
> <***@bvT1be.XCeThKOKg0gN6dSwm8vXdVzviz5rzr0AZi9de29
> 85>, Diesel <***@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> >
>> >> I encode my MP3's to lame q2 (about 190 kb/s variable). Can't
>> >> distinguish it from 320 kb/s constant, and the files are
>> >> smaller.
>> >
>> > in encode at 256k or 320k fixed. disk space is cheap.
>> >
>>
>> fixed? So you encode silence with the same bitrate as other
>> sounds and voices which may not be able to take advantage of
>> either 256k or 320k to sample them on the encoding? Space is
>> cheap, but, why waste it like that? It's not as if you're
>> actually benefiting from the decision. In fact, you're wasting
>> not only space, but cpu cycles as well.
>
> both are cheap.

Yes, we've already established that. Why are you doing it is the
question? What benefit do you feel that you're getting?




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2017-05-22 17:33:38 UTC
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In article <***@vAr9Pz.Pqz.7Khf7Ow0T6d9vfP>, Diesel
<***@privacy.net> wrote:

> >> >> I encode my MP3's to lame q2 (about 190 kb/s variable). Can't
> >> >> distinguish it from 320 kb/s constant, and the files are
> >> >> smaller.
> >> >
> >> > in encode at 256k or 320k fixed. disk space is cheap.
> >>
> >> fixed? So you encode silence with the same bitrate as other
> >> sounds and voices which may not be able to take advantage of
> >> either 256k or 320k to sample them on the encoding? Space is
> >> cheap, but, why waste it like that? It's not as if you're
> >> actually benefiting from the decision. In fact, you're wasting
> >> not only space, but cpu cycles as well.
> >
> > both are cheap.
>
> Yes, we've already established that. Why are you doing it is the
> question? What benefit do you feel that you're getting?

i explained that in the part you snipped. the quality can always be
reduced if needed, but increasing the quality would require
re-encoding.
Diesel
2017-05-23 00:45:20 UTC
Permalink
nospam <***@nospam.invalid>
news:220520171333388378%***@nospam.invalid Mon, 22 May 2017
17:33:38 GMT in alt.2600, wrote:

> In article <***@vAr9Pz.Pqz.7Khf7Ow0T6d9vfP>, Diesel
> <***@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> >> >> I encode my MP3's to lame q2 (about 190 kb/s variable).
>> >> >> Can't
>> >> >> distinguish it from 320 kb/s constant, and the files are
>> >> >> smaller.
>> >> >
>> >> > in encode at 256k or 320k fixed. disk space is cheap.
>> >>
>> >> fixed? So you encode silence with the same bitrate as other
>> >> sounds and voices which may not be able to take advantage of
>> >> either 256k or 320k to sample them on the encoding? Space is
>> >> cheap, but, why waste it like that? It's not as if you're
>> >> actually benefiting from the decision. In fact, you're wasting
>> >> not only space, but cpu cycles as well.
>> >
>> > both are cheap.
>>
>> Yes, we've already established that. Why are you doing it is the
>> question? What benefit do you feel that you're getting?
>
> i explained that in the part you snipped. the quality can always
> be reduced if needed, but increasing the quality would require
> re-encoding.

Okay then. I still think it's a waste of your time, but, as you say,
storage space and cpu cycles these days are cheap. So, I won't argue
with you on it.


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nospam
2017-05-23 01:37:55 UTC
Permalink
In article
<***@e06CY6xq3GH5m68HUE3VEvsg39d86ym6pP8R9bC.4>, Diesel
<***@privacy.net> wrote:

> >> >> >> I encode my MP3's to lame q2 (about 190 kb/s variable).
> >> >> >> Can't
> >> >> >> distinguish it from 320 kb/s constant, and the files are
> >> >> >> smaller.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > in encode at 256k or 320k fixed. disk space is cheap.
> >> >>
> >> >> fixed? So you encode silence with the same bitrate as other
> >> >> sounds and voices which may not be able to take advantage of
> >> >> either 256k or 320k to sample them on the encoding? Space is
> >> >> cheap, but, why waste it like that? It's not as if you're
> >> >> actually benefiting from the decision. In fact, you're wasting
> >> >> not only space, but cpu cycles as well.
> >> >
> >> > both are cheap.
> >>
> >> Yes, we've already established that. Why are you doing it is the
> >> question? What benefit do you feel that you're getting?
> >
> > i explained that in the part you snipped. the quality can always
> > be reduced if needed, but increasing the quality would require
> > re-encoding.
>
> Okay then. I still think it's a waste of your time, but, as you say,
> storage space and cpu cycles these days are cheap. So, I won't argue
> with you on it.

the encoding time is the same because the bottleneck is the cd drive,
but even if there was a difference, i'd never notice it because i'm not
sitting there waiting for it to finish.
Tony Cooper
2017-05-23 05:21:56 UTC
Permalink
Just out of curiosity, who is this David Brooks that has done
something that has resulted in this long and stunningly uninteresting
thread?

The only David Brooks I know of is a political commentator who appears
frequently on the Sunday morning political talk shows.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
PeterN
2017-05-22 01:58:59 UTC
Permalink
On 5/21/2017 7:56 PM, nospam wrote:
> In article <***@4ax.com>, Shadow
> <***@dow.br> wrote:
>
>> YouTube is usually crappy 96 kb/s.
>
> that's definitely crappy.
>
>> I encode my MP3's to lame q2 (about 190 kb/s variable). Can't
>> distinguish it from 320 kb/s constant, and the files are smaller.
>
> in encode at 256k or 320k fixed. disk space is cheap.
>

How do you "in code" anything.

--
PeterN
nospam
2017-05-22 02:04:26 UTC
Permalink
In article <***@news7.newsguy.com>, PeterN
<"peter,newdelete"@deleteverizon.net> wrote:

> >
> >> I encode my MP3's to lame q2 (about 190 kb/s variable). Can't
> >> distinguish it from 320 kb/s constant, and the files are smaller.
> >
> > in encode at 256k or 320k fixed. disk space is cheap.
> >
>
> How do you "in code" anything.

carefully
Fakey's Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus ๐Ÿถ็ฌ›
2017-05-22 04:09:41 UTC
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On Sun, 21 May 2017 20:48:00 -0300, LO AND BEHOLD; "Shadow <***@dow.br>"
determined that the following was of great importance and subsequently
decided to freely share it with us in
<***@4ax.com>:

>On Sun, 21 May 2017 14:54:14 -0400, nospam <***@nospam.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>>In article <fKydnVWp8NWmVbzEnZ2dnUU7-***@giganews.com>, Fakey's ๐Ÿถ
>>Whistle Holder Emeritus ?? <***@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>>>"Vinyl is the only consumer playback format we have that's fully analog
>>>and fully lossless," Gonsalves said. "You just need a decent turntable
>>>with a decent needle on it and you're going to enjoy a full-fidelity
>>>listening experience. It's a little bit more idiot-proof and a little
>>>bit less technical."
>>vinyl is not lossless at all. it's actually quite lossy, much more than
>>digital is (easily proven mathematically).
>>>The analog format allows for artists to transport their music from
>>>magnetic tape to LP to your speakers or headphones without the
>>>complications of digital conversion. This, ideally, is the closest one
>>>can get to what the artist intended ย‹ if the artist recorded on tape
>>>and sent the reels over to an engineer like Gonsalves to cut a lacquer
>>>master from. But whether its origins are digital or analog (more on this
>>>later),
>>nonsense. digital will preserve what the artist wanted far, far better
>>than any analog format.
>>>**a vinyl disc should have more musical information than an MP3 file ย‹
>>>so it should be an improvement on streaming sites such as YouTube or
>>>SoundCloud, especially on a good system.**
>>that would depend on the particular song on youtube or soundcloud. a
>>vinyl record compared with the best that digital can do is the only
>>valid comparison, not what some random person uploaded to youtube.
>
> YouTube is usually crappy 96 kb/s. I encode my MP3's to lame q2 (about
>190 kb/s variable). Can't distinguish it from 320 kb/s constant, and
>the files are smaller. []'s

this was recorded on a stereo VHS recorder and then encoded to 192kB/s mp3* with bladeenc *(if i recall correctly, that was 16 fucking years ago - i wonder how old "diesel" was that year... considering he portrays himself as a 21 year old fratboy these days. LOL)

https://archive.org/details/Schleigho20011115123PleasantStS2t03Matrices/Schleigho_2001-11-15_123+Pleasant+St_s2t01_Impressions+(Coltrane).mp3

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Special Ops Cody Memorial Purple Heart, November 2006
Special Ops Cody Memorial Purple Heart, September 2007
Tony Sidaway Memorial "Drama Queen" Award, November 2006
Busted Urinal Award, April 2007
Order of the Holey Sockpuppet, September 2007
Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle, September 2006
Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle, April 2008
Tinfoil Sombrero, February 2007
AUK Mascot, September 2007
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Eric Stevens
2017-05-21 23:50:00 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 21 May 2017 14:54:14 -0400, nospam <***@nospam.invalid>
wrote:

>In article <fKydnVWp8NWmVbzEnZ2dnUU7-***@giganews.com>, Fakey's
>Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus ?? <***@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
>> "Vinyl is the only consumer playback format we have that's fully analog and
>> fully lossless," Gonsalves said. "You just need a decent turntable with a
>> decent needle on it and you're going to enjoy a full-fidelity listening
>> experience. It's a little bit more idiot-proof and a little bit less
>> technical."
>
>vinyl is not lossless at all. it's actually quite lossy, much more than
>digital is (easily proven mathematically).
>
>> The analog format allows for artists to transport their music from magnetic
>> tape to LP to your speakers or headphones without the complications of
>> digital conversion. This, ideally, is the closest one can get to what the
>> artist intended ย‹ if the artist recorded on tape and sent the reels over to
>> an engineer like Gonsalves to cut a lacquer master from. But whether its
>> origins are digital or analog (more on this later),
>
>nonsense.
>
>digital will preserve what the artist wanted far, far better than any
>analog format.
>
>> **a vinyl disc should have more musical information than an MP3 file ย‹ so it
>> should be an improvement on streaming sites such as YouTube or SoundCloud,
>> especially on a good system.**
>
>that would depend on the particular song on youtube or soundcloud.
>
>a vinyl record compared with the best that digital can do is the only
>valid comparison, not what some random person uploaded to youtube.

The problem is that 'the best that digital can do' is very rare and
almost impossible to find.

The vast majority of digital recording is fizzed up in an attempt to
get something approaching an acceptable sound out of vastly inadequate
equipment which has never had a chance of reproducing the original
sound. Vinyl has its problem recordings also but fortunately the
number of people who will try to play vinyly records through ear buds
are few.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens
nospam
2017-05-21 23:56:56 UTC
Permalink
In article <***@4ax.com>, Eric Stevens
<***@sum.co.nz> wrote:

> >
> >a vinyl record compared with the best that digital can do is the only
> >valid comparison, not what some random person uploaded to youtube.
>
> The problem is that 'the best that digital can do' is very rare and
> almost impossible to find.

nonsense. it's trivial to find and even easier to create.

> The vast majority of digital recording is fizzed up in an attempt to
> get something approaching an acceptable sound out of vastly inadequate
> equipment which has never had a chance of reproducing the original
> sound.

don't blame the medium for the mistakes of the person producing it.

someone could just as easily fuck up a vinyl record. simple example:
stamp it off center. guaranteed speed variation.

> Vinyl has its problem recordings also but fortunately the
> number of people who will try to play vinyly records through ear buds
> are few.

irrelevant.
Eric Stevens
2017-05-22 00:46:28 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 21 May 2017 19:56:56 -0400, nospam <***@nospam.invalid>
wrote:

>In article <***@4ax.com>, Eric Stevens
><***@sum.co.nz> wrote:
>
>> >
>> >a vinyl record compared with the best that digital can do is the only
>> >valid comparison, not what some random person uploaded to youtube.
>>
>> The problem is that 'the best that digital can do' is very rare and
>> almost impossible to find.
>
>nonsense. it's trivial to find and even easier to create.

But that's not what is being done.
>
>> The vast majority of digital recording is fizzed up in an attempt to
>> get something approaching an acceptable sound out of vastly inadequate
>> equipment which has never had a chance of reproducing the original
>> sound.
>
>don't blame the medium for the mistakes of the person producing it.
>
>someone could just as easily fuck up a vinyl record. simple example:
>stamp it off center. guaranteed speed variation.

That's accidental. What is done to MP3 is deliberate. Compression of
dynamic range. Artificially boosting base, plus all kinds of other
sins.
>
>> Vinyl has its problem recordings also but fortunately the
>> number of people who will try to play vinyly records through ear buds
>> are few.
>
>irrelevant.

They don't have the same motivation to tailor the recorded sound to
inadequate equipment.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens
nospam
2017-05-22 00:53:19 UTC
Permalink
In article <***@4ax.com>, Eric Stevens
<***@sum.co.nz> wrote:

> >> >a vinyl record compared with the best that digital can do is the only
> >> >valid comparison, not what some random person uploaded to youtube.
> >>
> >> The problem is that 'the best that digital can do' is very rare and
> >> almost impossible to find.
> >
> >nonsense. it's trivial to find and even easier to create.
>
> But that's not what is being done.

of course it's being done.

> >> The vast majority of digital recording is fizzed up in an attempt to
> >> get something approaching an acceptable sound out of vastly inadequate
> >> equipment which has never had a chance of reproducing the original
> >> sound.
> >
> >don't blame the medium for the mistakes of the person producing it.
> >
> >someone could just as easily fuck up a vinyl record. simple example:
> >stamp it off center. guaranteed speed variation.
>
> That's accidental. What is done to MP3 is deliberate.

doesn't matter.

> Compression of
> dynamic range. Artificially boosting base, plus all kinds of other
> sins.

that can be done with analog just as easily as with digital.

it's actually more common with analog than with digital because of the
limitations of analog.

> >> Vinyl has its problem recordings also but fortunately the
> >> number of people who will try to play vinyly records through ear buds
> >> are few.
> >
> >irrelevant.
>
> They don't have the same motivation to tailor the recorded sound to
> inadequate equipment.

doesn't matter.
Ron C
2017-05-22 02:07:05 UTC
Permalink
On 5/21/2017 8:46 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
> On Sun, 21 May 2017 19:56:56 -0400, nospam <***@nospam.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> In article <***@4ax.com>, Eric Stevens
>> <***@sum.co.nz> wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> a vinyl record compared with the best that digital can do is the only
>>>> valid comparison, not what some random person uploaded to youtube.
>>>
>>> The problem is that 'the best that digital can do' is very rare and
>>> almost impossible to find.
>>
>> nonsense. it's trivial to find and even easier to create.
>
> But that's not what is being done.
>>
>>> The vast majority of digital recording is fizzed up in an attempt to
>>> get something approaching an acceptable sound out of vastly inadequate
>>> equipment which has never had a chance of reproducing the original
>>> sound.
>>
>> don't blame the medium for the mistakes of the person producing it.
>>
>> someone could just as easily fuck up a vinyl record. simple example:
>> stamp it off center. guaranteed speed variation.
>
> That's accidental. What is done to MP3 is deliberate. Compression of
> dynamic range. Artificially boosting base, plus all kinds of other
> sins.
>>
>>> Vinyl has its problem recordings also but fortunately the
>>> number of people who will try to play vinyly records through ear buds
>>> are few.
>>
>> irrelevant.
>
> They don't have the same motivation to tailor the recorded sound to
> inadequate equipment.
>
OK, I've been lurking and avoiding comment.
Your understanding of MP3 compression seems
limited at best. The compression techniques used
in [the likes of] MP3 are perceptual, and the distortions
are seldom related to compression of dynamic range.
There's a lot of psycho acoustics that goes into those
[data] compression algorithms.
~~
The nuisances of [band limited] sampling theory are
hard to grasp for many, but the validity of the concept
has been well proven. The channel capacity of 44.1/16
CD audio absolutely surpasses that of said vinyl media.

--
==
Later...
Ron C
--
nospam
2017-05-22 02:13:01 UTC
Permalink
In article <T6mdnXzoXONQ2r_EnZ2dnUU7-***@giganews.com>, Ron C
<***@verizon.net> wrote:

> The nuisances of [band limited] sampling theory are
> hard to grasp for many, but the validity of the concept
> has been well proven. The channel capacity of 44.1/16
> CD audio absolutely surpasses that of said vinyl media.

exactly correct.

same for digital cameras and film.
Ron C
2017-05-22 02:17:47 UTC
Permalink
On 5/21/2017 10:13 PM, nospam wrote:
> In article <T6mdnXzoXONQ2r_EnZ2dnUU7-***@giganews.com>, Ron C
> <***@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> The nuisances of [band limited] sampling theory are
>> hard to grasp for many, but the validity of the concept
>> has been well proven. The channel capacity of 44.1/16
>> CD audio absolutely surpasses that of said vinyl media.
>
> exactly correct.
>
> same for digital cameras and film.
>
Understood.
~~
Now, care to jump in to the quagmire of dither? ;-)
--
==
L...
R C
--
Fakey's Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus ๐Ÿถ็ฌ›
2017-05-22 02:53:35 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 21 May 2017 22:17:47 -0400, LO AND BEHOLD; "Ron C
<***@verizon.net>" determined that the following was of great
importance and subsequently decided to freely share it with us in
<hsidnfblVc_N17_EnZ2dnUU7-***@giganews.com>:

>On 5/21/2017 10:13 PM, nospam wrote:
>>In article <T6mdnXzoXONQ2r_EnZ2dnUU7-***@giganews.com>, Ron C
>><***@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>The nuisances of [band limited] sampling theory are hard to grasp for
>>>many, but the validity of the concept has been well proven. The channel
>>>capacity of 44.1/16 CD audio absolutely surpasses that of said vinyl
>>>media.
>>exactly correct. same for digital cameras and film.
>Understood. ~~ Now, care to SPNAK! in to the quagmire of dither? ;-)

i recorded many a concert using a stereo vcr, which encodes a digital PCM audio to tape.

this was in an era where idiots were buying DATs and missing parts of the shows because they had to swap out their tape.

i could keep recording for hours because VHS.

LOL

https://archive.org/details/Schleigho20011115123PleasantStS2t03Matrices

i hope diesel will let me know how much it sucks.

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-

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-

"If I have a complaint about the (Southern Poverty) Law Center's description (of the alt-right movement), it is the phrase "heavy use of social media," which implies the alt-right is a real-world movement which uses a lot of social media. This is backwards: it is an online movement which occasionally appears in the real world. Where it gets punched." - Jason Rhode

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-

Golden Killfile, June 2005
KOTM, November 2006
Bob Allisat Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker, November 2006
Special Ops Cody Memorial Purple Heart, November 2006
Special Ops Cody Memorial Purple Heart, September 2007
Tony Sidaway Memorial "Drama Queen" Award, November 2006
Busted Urinal Award, April 2007
Order of the Holey Sockpuppet, September 2007
Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle, September 2006
Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle, April 2008
Tinfoil Sombrero, February 2007
AUK Mascot, September 2007
Putting the Awards Out of Order to Screw With the OCD Fuckheads, March 2016
nospam
2017-05-22 03:02:57 UTC
Permalink
In article <PNydnaul1_Ayz7_EnZ2dnUU7-***@giganews.com>, Fakey's
Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus ?? <***@127.0.0.1> wrote:

> i could keep recording for hours because VHS.

only 2 hours at its best quality, which wasn't all that good.

the 6hr speed was *horrible*.
Fakey's Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus ๐Ÿถ็ฌ›
2017-05-22 03:17:45 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 21 May 2017 23:02:57 -0400, LO AND BEHOLD; "nospam
<***@nospam.invalid>" determined that the following was of great
importance and subsequently decided to freely share it with us in
<210520172302572707%***@nospam.invalid>:

>In article <PNydnaul1_Ayz7_EnZ2dnUU7-***@giganews.com>, Fakey's ๐Ÿถ
>Whistle Holder Emeritus ?? <***@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
>>i could keep recording for hours because VHS.
>
>only 2 hours at its best quality, which wasn't all that good.

for /video/, sure...

>the 6hr speed was *horrible*.

i wasn't recording video, though. i was recording only audio. which means that it didn't matter what quality the video was recorded.

anything that would change the encoded PCM signal would make it "not PCM", right? also, did you not realize that performing such a task would take extra logic, extra $$$, and some sort of compression algorithm that was never used?

right?

there's a reason they chose the PCM standard.

HTH



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-

"You just made puppy whistle's sig line longer." - Janithor

-

"If I have a complaint about the (Southern Poverty) Law Center's description (of the alt-right movement), it is the phrase "heavy use of social media," which implies the alt-right is a real-world movement which uses a lot of social media. This is backwards: it is an online movement which occasionally appears in the real world. Where it gets punched." - Jason Rhode

-

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-

Golden Killfile, June 2005
KOTM, November 2006
Bob Allisat Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker, November 2006
Special Ops Cody Memorial Purple Heart, November 2006
Special Ops Cody Memorial Purple Heart, September 2007
Tony Sidaway Memorial "Drama Queen" Award, November 2006
Busted Urinal Award, April 2007
Order of the Holey Sockpuppet, September 2007
Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle, September 2006
Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle, April 2008
Tinfoil Sombrero, February 2007
AUK Mascot, September 2007
Putting the Awards Out of Order to Screw With the OCD Fuckheads, March 2016
Diesel
2017-05-22 04:54:57 UTC
Permalink
Ron C <***@verizon.net> news:hsidnfblVc_N17_EnZ2dnUU7-
***@giganews.com Mon, 22 May 2017 02:17:47 GMT in alt.2600, wrote:

> On 5/21/2017 10:13 PM, nospam wrote:
>> In article <T6mdnXzoXONQ2r_EnZ2dnUU7-***@giganews.com>, Ron C
>> <***@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>> The nuisances of [band limited] sampling theory are
>>> hard to grasp for many, but the validity of the concept
>>> has been well proven. The channel capacity of 44.1/16
>>> CD audio absolutely surpasses that of said vinyl media.
>>
>> exactly correct.
>>
>> same for digital cameras and film.
>>
> Understood.
> ~~
> Now, care to jump in to the quagmire of dither? ;-)

No, thanks. I'm not on the same level as Bob Katz.


--
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Please be patient. I will get to you shortly.
Diesel
2017-05-22 04:54:57 UTC
Permalink
nospam <***@nospam.invalid> news:210520172213012966%
***@nospam.invalid Mon, 22 May 2017 02:13:01 GMT in alt.2600, wrote:

> In article <T6mdnXzoXONQ2r_EnZ2dnUU7-***@giganews.com>, Ron C
> <***@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> The nuisances of [band limited] sampling theory are
>> hard to grasp for many, but the validity of the concept
>> has been well proven. The channel capacity of 44.1/16
>> CD audio absolutely surpasses that of said vinyl media.
>
> exactly correct.
>
> same for digital cameras and film.

Agreed. With the caveat, digital cameras beyond a certain MP.



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Please be patient. I will get to you shortly.
Eric Stevens
2017-05-22 03:29:48 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 21 May 2017 22:07:05 -0400, Ron C <***@verizon.net> wrote:

>On 5/21/2017 8:46 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
>> On Sun, 21 May 2017 19:56:56 -0400, nospam <***@nospam.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <***@4ax.com>, Eric Stevens
>>> <***@sum.co.nz> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> a vinyl record compared with the best that digital can do is the only
>>>>> valid comparison, not what some random person uploaded to youtube.
>>>>
>>>> The problem is that 'the best that digital can do' is very rare and
>>>> almost impossible to find.
>>>
>>> nonsense. it's trivial to find and even easier to create.
>>
>> But that's not what is being done.
>>>
>>>> The vast majority of digital recording is fizzed up in an attempt to
>>>> get something approaching an acceptable sound out of vastly inadequate
>>>> equipment which has never had a chance of reproducing the original
>>>> sound.
>>>
>>> don't blame the medium for the mistakes of the person producing it.
>>>
>>> someone could just as easily fuck up a vinyl record. simple example:
>>> stamp it off center. guaranteed speed variation.
>>
>> That's accidental. What is done to MP3 is deliberate. Compression of
>> dynamic range. Artificially boosting base, plus all kinds of other
>> sins.
>>>
>>>> Vinyl has its problem recordings also but fortunately the
>>>> number of people who will try to play vinyly records through ear buds
>>>> are few.
>>>
>>> irrelevant.
>>
>> They don't have the same motivation to tailor the recorded sound to
>> inadequate equipment.
>>
>OK, I've been lurking and avoiding comment.
>Your understanding of MP3 compression seems
>limited at best. The compression techniques used
>in [the likes of] MP3 are perceptual, and the distortions
>are seldom related to compression of dynamic range.
>There's a lot of psycho acoustics that goes into those
>[data] compression algorithms.

The compression I'm talking about is that required for the limitations
of reproducing equipment, particularly speakers and the like. This
problem is exacerbated by the use of instruments, drums, double base
and the ubiquitous synthesizer, with heavily driven base output.
>~~
>The nuisances of [band limited] sampling theory are
>hard to grasp for many, but the validity of the concept
>has been well proven. The channel capacity of 44.1/16
>CD audio absolutely surpasses that of said vinyl media.

Except for the pervasive belief that sounds above (usually) 18kHz
contribute nothing to the music.
>
>--
>==
>Later...
>Ron C
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens
Fakey's Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus ๐Ÿถ็ฌ›
2017-05-22 03:34:04 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 22 May 2017 15:29:48 +1200, LO AND BEHOLD; "Eric Stevens
<***@sum.co.nz>" determined that the following was of great
importance and subsequently decided to freely share it with us in
<***@4ax.com>:

>On Sun, 21 May 2017 22:07:05 -0400, Ron C <***@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>On 5/21/2017 8:46 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
>>>On Sun, 21 May 2017 19:56:56 -0400, nospam <***@nospam.invalid>
>>>wrote:
>>>>In article <***@4ax.com>, Eric Stevens
>>>><***@sum.co.nz> wrote:
>>>>>>a vinyl record compared with the best that digital can do is the only
>>>>>>valid comparison, not what some random person uploaded to youtube.
>>>>>The problem is that 'the best that digital can do' is very rare and
>>>>>almost impossible to find.
>>>>nonsense. it's trivial to find and even easier to create.
>>>But that's not what is being done.
>>>>
>>>>>The vast majority of digital recording is fizzed up in an attempt to get
>>>>>something approaching an acceptable sound out of vastly inadequate
>>>>>equipment which has never had a chance of reproducing the original
>>>>>sound.
>>>>don't blame the medium for the mistakes of the person producing it.
>>>>someone could just as easily fuck up a vinyl record. simple example:
>>>>stamp it off center. guaranteed speed variation.
>>>That's accidental. What is done to MP3 is deliberate. Compression of
>>>dynamic range. Artificially boosting base, plus all kinds of other
>>>sins.
>>>>
>>>>>Vinyl has its problem recordings also but fortunately the number of
>>>>>people who will try to play vinyly records through ear buds are few.
>>>>irrelevant.
>>>They don't have the same motivation to tailor the recorded sound to
>>>inadequate equipment.
>>OK, I've been lurking and avoiding comment. Your understanding of MP3
>>compression seems limited at best. The compression techniques used in
>>[the likes of] MP3 are perceptual, and the distortions are seldom
>>related to compression of dynamic range. There's a lot of psycho
>>acoustics that goes into those [data] compression algorithms.
>
>The compression I'm talking about is that required for the limitations
>of reproducing equipment, particularly speakers and the like. This
>problem is exacerbated by the use of instruments, drums, double base
>and the ubiquitous synthesizer, with heavily driven base output.
>>~~ The nuisances of [band limited] sampling theory are hard to grasp for
>>many, but the validity of the concept has been well proven. The channel
>>capacity of 44.1/16 CD audio absolutely surpasses that of said vinyl
>>media.
>
>Except for the pervasive belief that sounds above (usually) 18kHz
>contribute nothing to the music.
>>-- == Later... Ron C

LOL

that guy you're responding to sounds like a decrepit VHF/UHF ham operator trying to make sense of modern times by applying RF theory and coming up with nothing but excuses.

digital sampling is not "better" than analog aside from storage concerns and marketing purposes.

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nospam
2017-05-21 15:52:21 UTC
Permalink
In article
<***@Cco1pX6K3bB8q.kG1DZLdKy3p337qlbac13HudqE96fW2N9dr3T
lA8202TNnI>, Diesel <***@privacy.net> wrote:

>
> > you should tell him what version of lame you use to encode your
> > 44.1kHz CDs. it might impress him.
>
> I'd be wasting my time. You already lost him at encode.
> Maybe you can educate him on the amazing sound quality of vinyl?

vinyl is nowhere near as good as what cds are capable of.
Diesel
2017-05-22 01:12:24 UTC
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nospam <***@nospam.invalid>
news:210520171152218459%***@nospam.invalid Sun, 21 May 2017
15:52:21 GMT in alt.2600, wrote:

> In article
> <***@Cco1pX6K3bB8q.kG1DZLdKy3p337qlbac13HudqE96fW2N
> 9dr3T lA8202TNnI>, Diesel <***@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> > you should tell him what version of lame you use to encode your
>> > 44.1kHz CDs. it might impress him.
>>
>> I'd be wasting my time. You already lost him at encode.
>> Maybe you can educate him on the amazing sound quality of vinyl?
>
> vinyl is nowhere near as good as what cds are capable of.
>

Sarcasm is lost on you...


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RJH
2017-05-22 07:58:27 UTC
Permalink
On 21/05/2017 16:52, nospam wrote:
> In article
> <***@Cco1pX6K3bB8q.kG1DZLdKy3p337qlbac13HudqE96fW2N9dr3T
> lA8202TNnI>, Diesel <***@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>> you should tell him what version of lame you use to encode your
>>> 44.1kHz CDs. it might impress him.
>>
>> I'd be wasting my time. You already lost him at encode.
>> Maybe you can educate him on the amazing sound quality of vinyl?
>
> vinyl is nowhere near as good as what cds are capable of.
>

By whichever technical measure you pluck from the air. The fact remains
that some people prefer listening to vinyl.

Deal with it ;-)

--
Cheers, Rob
Diesel
2017-05-22 11:09:55 UTC
Permalink
RJH <***@gmx.com> news:ofu5gm$t8r$***@dont-email.me Mon, 22 May
2017 07:58:27 GMT in alt.2600, wrote:

> On 21/05/2017 16:52, nospam wrote:
>> In article
>> <***@Cco1pX6K3bB8q.kG1DZLdKy3p337qlbac13HudqE96fW2
>> N9dr3T lA8202TNnI>, Diesel <***@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> you should tell him what version of lame you use to encode your
>>>> 44.1kHz CDs. it might impress him.
>>>
>>> I'd be wasting my time. You already lost him at encode.
>>> Maybe you can educate him on the amazing sound quality of vinyl?
>>
>> vinyl is nowhere near as good as what cds are capable of.
>>
>
> By whichever technical measure you pluck from the air. The fact
> remains that some people prefer listening to vinyl.

Some people prefer doing crystal meth too, thinking it's not doing them
serious harm. :)



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burfordTjustice
2017-05-22 12:00:57 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 22 May 2017 11:09:55 -0000 (UTC)
Diesel <***@privacy.net> wrote:

> RJH <***@gmx.com> news:ofu5gm$t8r$***@dont-email.me Mon, 22 May
> 2017 07:58:27 GMT in alt.2600, wrote:
>
> > On 21/05/2017 16:52, nospam wrote:
> >> In article
> >> <***@Cco1pX6K3bB8q.kG1DZLdKy3p337qlbac13HudqE96fW2
> >> N9dr3T lA8202TNnI>, Diesel <***@privacy.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>> you should tell him what version of lame you use to encode your
> >>>> 44.1kHz CDs. it might impress him.
> >>>
> >>> I'd be wasting my time. You already lost him at encode.
> >>> Maybe you can educate him on the amazing sound quality of vinyl?
> >>
> >> vinyl is nowhere near as good as what cds are capable of.
> >>
> >
> > By whichever technical measure you pluck from the air. The fact
> > remains that some people prefer listening to vinyl.
>
> Some people prefer doing crystal meth too, thinking it's not doing
> them serious harm. :)
>
>
>

How long have have you been doing it, crystal meth??
Fakey's Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus ๐Ÿถ็ฌ›
2017-05-22 16:36:08 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 22 May 2017 11:09:55 -0000 (UTC), LO AND BEHOLD; "Diesel
<***@privacy.net>" determined that the following was of great importance
and subsequently decided to freely share it with us in
<***@vAr9Pz.Pqz.7Khf7Ow0T6d9vfP>:

>RJH <***@gmx.com> news:ofu5gm$t8r$***@dont-email.me Mon, 22 May
>2017 07:58:27 GMT in alt.2600, wrote:
>
>>On 21/05/2017 16:52, nospam wrote:
>>>In article
>>><***@Cco1pX6K3bB8q.kG1DZLdKy3p337qlbac13HudqE96fW2
>>>N9dr3T lA8202TNnI>, Diesel <***@privacy.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>you should tell him what version of lame you use to encode your 44.1kHz
>>>>>CDs. it might impress him.
>>>>I'd be wasting my time. You already lost him at encode. Maybe you can
>>>>educate him on the amazing sound quality of vinyl?
>>>vinyl is nowhere near as good as what cds are capable of.
>>By whichever technical measure you pluck from the air. The fact remains
>>that some people prefer listening to vinyl.
>
>Some people prefer doing crystal meth too, thinking it's not doing them
>serious harm. :)

some people like to make broken analogies, thinking they don't look like twits. :/

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Busted Urinal Award, April 2007
Order of the Holey Sockpuppet, September 2007
Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle, September 2006
Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle, April 2008
Tinfoil Sombrero, February 2007
AUK Mascot, September 2007
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David B.
2017-05-22 17:15:40 UTC
Permalink
On 5/22/2017 5:36 PM, Fakey's Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus ๐Ÿถ็ฌ› wrote:

> some people like to make broken analogies, thinking they don't look like twits. :/

Dustin Cook - aka Diesel - *IS* a TWIT!

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Diesel
2017-05-23 00:45:18 UTC
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"David B." <***@nomail.afraid.org>
news:ofv65e$ap3$***@dont-email.me Mon, 22 May 2017 17:15:40 GMT in
alt.2600, wrote:

> On 5/22/2017 5:36 PM, Fakey's Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus
> รฐยŸยยถรงยฌย› wrote:
>
>> some people like to make broken analogies, thinking they don't
>> look like twits. :/
>
> Dustin Cook - aka Diesel - *IS* a TWIT!
>

Score one for the good guys!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkcrTBG_M-Y&feature=em-comments

They honored my copyright David. video has been deleted!



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David B.
2017-05-23 09:43:52 UTC
Permalink
On 5/23/2017 1:45 AM, Diesel wrote:
> "David B." <***@nomail.afraid.org>
> news:ofv65e$ap3$***@dont-email.me Mon, 22 May 2017 17:15:40 GMT in
> alt.2600, wrote:
>
>> On 5/22/2017 5:36 PM, Fakey's Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus
>> รฐลธยยถรงยฌโ€บ wrote:
>>
>>> some people like to make broken analogies, thinking they don't
>>> look like twits. :/
>>
>> Dustin Cook - aka Diesel - *IS* a TWIT!
>>
>
> Score one for the good guys!
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkcrTBG_M-Y&feature=em-comments
>
> They honored my copyright David. video has been deleted!

It's good to know, categorically, that 'Diesel' *IS* Dustin Cook!

Have Google have also tied up your recent request to being from the same
individual who asked for this image to be blurred out on a Google
StreetView image?

http://goo.gl/maps/ZOKA9

The property is built on a slope and your 'Lab' is located at the back,
isn't it? Google knows all, Dustin! ;-)

--
David B.
Diesel
2017-05-23 18:52:46 UTC
Permalink
"David B." <***@nomail.afraid.org>
news:og1029$n13$***@dont-email.me Tue, 23 May 2017 09:43:52 GMT in
alt.2600, wrote:

> On 5/23/2017 1:45 AM, Diesel wrote:
>> "David B." <***@nomail.afraid.org>
>> news:ofv65e$ap3$***@dont-email.me Mon, 22 May 2017 17:15:40 GMT in
>> alt.2600, wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/22/2017 5:36 PM, Fakey's Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus
>>> รƒยฐร…ลพร‚ยร‚ยถรƒยงร‚ยฌรขย€ยบ wrote:
>>>
>>>> some people like to make broken analogies, thinking they don't
>>>> look like twits. :/
>>>
>>> Dustin Cook - aka Diesel - *IS* a TWIT!
>>>
>>
>> Score one for the good guys!
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkcrTBG_M-Y&feature=em-comments
>>
>> They honored my copyright David. video has been deleted!
>
> It's good to know, categorically, that 'Diesel' *IS* Dustin Cook!

[fair warning for those who have the attention span of a goldfish;
this reply is a long taunting 'wordwall']

David,

I announced who I was when I began using this handle, nearly two
years ago. I made no effort to conceal my identity with it. I did
that for a few reasons. One of which being, I didn't want anyone to
think I was trying to avoid any filters they might have set on me. I
don't mind people filtering me if I annoy them, I'm completely okay
with it. I make it a point to keep the 'email' address the same to
make such filtering, easier.

Another reason I went with the handle Diesel is because it's a very
common word and makes things a little more difficult for the
anoncoward stalker. And, my fqdn line (I had to point it out to you,
because you and whoever you begged to checkout the source code I
shared wasn't as tech savvy as they led you to believe, not only did
they not give you a good explanation of what the source was doing,
they couldn't figure out what it did as a complete program either.
You seriously need to find more competent people)

Despite the fact my name is certainly Dustin Cook, It's not that
uncommon of a name online anymore. I had trouble finding myself on a
couple of databases. No kidding. A few people have the same year,
age, and middle initial as myself, too. And, damn if they didn't live
in some of the same states. I looked up two Dustins this morning
thinking they were me, only to find out, I don't know ANY of the
people they 'might' be related to and although we had several states
in common, I've never set foot in several of the others listed, and,
since geography was never my best subject in school, I couldn't tell
you where they are in relation to my location without using a map.
*shrug*

I do find your effort to spin another fight you lost with me into an
attempt to learn my actual meatspace for continued
stalking,blackmail, and intimidation efforts, though.

Fact is, you didn't think google would 'intervene' as you put it and
delete the video. You were wrong. Dropbox would actually do the same
thing to you, If I felt the need to pursue the matter. But, what's
the point. At the end of the day, you're going to retain copies of my
stuff and abuse what you have as you see fit. All because, I wouldn't
help you stalk other people that I don't know. Heh, that's my reward
for being a good guy and not doing blackhat things for hire. And you
call yourself a good guy and christian. ROFL!

You're a christian in the sense of the crusades kind of christian,
and/or one of the modern priests the churchs have to hide by parish
relocation because they can't leave children alone in a sexual way.
They aren't good guys either.

I don't expect anyone to just take what i've written about your
activities on my word alone. Especially the people in
rec.photo.digital. That's why I continue to host our entire email
correspondence on my BugHunter programs domain.

http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk/bdemail1.zip

Not to worry David, you've snowballed them good, they have no idea
what kind of person you actually are. And! several of them are scared
to death of downloading and unzipping the file on the url above. They
think the simple act of downloading and! or unzipping it will give
them something and/or otherwise pose a risk to their machines.
Photography experts some of them may be, but, IT intelligence leaves
MUCH to be desired. They are of the 'computer is like a toaster
oven' mentality.

And, laughingly, atleast one thinks I have an axe to grind with you.
ROFL! They have no idea you started shit with me because I wouldn't
help you stalk other people. Long before I ever responded in a
hostile manner. Two+ years long before. I told you, and our email
correspondence will confirm ALL of this,

As the saying goes, you can lead a horse to water, but, you can't
make him drink it.

I'd be more than happy to analyze any malicious file or url you sent
me, but, I wasn't going to scour the entire sites domain, and break
into it for full access for your benefit. All you had to do was
provide me a url and/or malicious file of some kind and I would have
examined it and reported back my findings as well as including a
signature for detection/removal into BugHunters database.

I told you this, several times. I extended you courtesy that you
didn't deserve, I was professional and quite civil with you the
entire time, although I already knew that you were discussing myself
and my program behind my back, trying to learn more about ME in
particular. Not my program.

You didn't actually email me because you wanted to know more about
the program, You wanted to know more about me, and, thought you could
snooker me if you inquired about the program and convinced me to
trust you a bit. I never fell for it. Everything I told you via email
was already known, and, I had no problems confirming it for you. As I
told you via email, I changed my 'evil ways' for the better. So I
figured I could prove that I was a good guy by being completely
honest and candid with you via email; even going so far as to answer
your personal questions that had nothing to do with my program.

You didn't contact me out of the blue either. You read some old shit
about some of the things I did, and wrongly assumed I would be the
same person you read about, and help you get back at two specific
forum administrators that banned you from their sites. It was never
about my program. You just thought it would be your way in, to earn
my trust, and eventually ask your favors. And, you figured, we'd be
friends enough by then, that I actually would do that stuff for you.

When you realized that you wouldn't be succesful, you proceeded to
create a gsv of an address someone else posted, create fresh threads
in several different newsgroups, to try and force me to help you out.
You were sure bad guys hungout on those servers, and, you thought
that if you placed myself and/or family in harms way, I'd 'smarten
up' and do your bidding. You were wrong.

I'm not surprised you haven't shared the screenshot you have with my
name on Malwarebytes Antimalware scanner. I understand why you'd
prefer not to do that for that newsgroup though, especially when you
tried (and failed) to abuse a retired police officer to do something
to me for you.

MID: <C87RA.739350$***@fx27.fr7>
http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=149456200100

Do, please, read the WHOLE thread started by Mr Cook - called "Wanna
torrent? :)" - on the 'alt.computer.workshop' group.

Just *HOW* can I 'hang him out to dry'? (if you catch my drift!)

You hijacked their thread when you posted that offtopic comment; It
had nothing to do with the discussion already in progress. And, the
only reason you participated was so that you could butter someone up
and ask them. You're *well known* for using that method of attack,
btw. I can spot it a mile away, it's so common for you.

Why is it okay for you to try and dox me multiple times; I think
you're at address number five, or is it six now? Along with stalking
me for years, but it's not okay for me to succesfully dox you (and
how)? Why is it not okay for me, or HHI, to do what we do, but it's
perfectly okay for you to violate others copyrights, as you
repeatedly do with not only myself, but others as well?

I don't understand your logic, David. Did your god or dog tell you
it's okay to treat others like shit, but, not okay for them to do you
a solid in return? Is that what you're going by? Between the bottles,
I mean. You do take a little break between finishing one off and
opening another, don't you?

Is your wife an enabler of your excessive drinking, or, does she
insist that if you want it, you get it yourself? IE: does she go and
get it for you just so she doesn't have to listen to you piss and
moan about it?

Maybe you can finally tell me why you accused me of hacking your
computers to learn about your drinking problem? Do you actually have
some sort of journal where you admit what a fuckup you actually are
to yourself? Do you have your medical records and history on any of
the computers? Did you think I took copies of either of the
aforementioned and learned about your problem as a result of that?

Why did you give people I don't know, but you do, irl, my email
address and discuss me with them? You know you actually scared one or
more of them? You gave them the impression I'm a movie like hacker
and could do anything on a whim to them. Like they do in the movies.

Movies aren't real life, David. And, hacking is a much more involved
(boring for the average individual watching a movie) process than
what the movies and tv shows make it appear.

> Have Google have also tied up your recent request to being from
> the same individual who asked for this image to be blurred out on
> a Google StreetView image?

tied up? As I told you when your friend Eagle originally inquired,
*I* had nothing whatsoever to do with the blurring. I don't even know
how to do that! it took me a few minutes to determine how to report
your illegal youtube upload.

In fact, prior to your little stunt, I didn't even have a youtube
'channel'; now, thanks to having to sign in to youtube vs google (for
email), I do. but, it has no content. I don't even know the url to
it. And, I don't plan to add any content, either. In case you haven't
noticed, shit for brains, wannabe stalker/'good guy', I'm not exactly
a big fan of cameras. I tend to avoid them, whenever possible. I've
never liked my picture being taken, I've yet to take a 'selfie'; and,
pending a very good reason for doing so, I'm not likely to, either.
You should be glad you got the chance to see me on video that
consists of little over a minute with myself actually taking up,
mebbe 15 seconds or so of that. I'm what you call, camera shy.

You just think I have an ego the size of a house. Because, as is so
typical for you, you're misinformed.

> http://goo.gl/maps/ZOKA9

The scripts kill this old box, David. It really doesn't handle modern
websites with a lot of scripts well at all. :( I'm still migrating my
stuff over to the faster machines, so, I can soon reload this one
with cent OS and turn it into a simple file server. Cent is likely
going to be overkill for my intentions, I could just use Linux Mint
with Samba, actually. I may go that route for consistency, but, since
I have CentOS7 iso, I was wanting to try it out locally, hands on, vs
shell (ssh) account access that I've used for years. Or, as you put
it, give it a 'whirl'

That's less taxing on it, and it can serve out the time it has left
before the mainboard and/or HD and/or PS goes south on me. I have no
intentions of continuing to keep this machine alive if it should
toast any of the aforementioned components. The HD is IDE based
(difficult for me to source a 'new' one locally), the mainboard has
been extinct for years now, and, I can't justify the cost of a new
power supply or my time to tear the machine down and replace it. It's
over a decade and a half old, depending on which copyright
date/firmware you're looking at. heh.

As far as the link itself, as I told you, when you used it to try and
dox me (you have a bad habit about doing that, but, whine like a
bitch when it's done correctly to you; double standard?) you've once
again, scored the wrong residence.

You've posted several addresses you thought were mine over the years.
You started with another one in kingsport with the title 'is this
your house Dustin' because I turned down your repeated! requests to
hack into a couple of specific web forums and provide you the user
records. You had/still have an issue with the forum administrators
and because you lack the ability to do anything on your own, tried
(and failed) to trick me into doing some absolutely, blackhat, shady
as fuck all, things on your behalf.

Because I declined, repeatedly, you tried to dox me for my trouble.
I'd done nothing nefarious of any kind to you prior to you trying it
with me, first. And, when I decided to go ahead and dox you good (via
scene release .nfo files), it was over two years! later. And, as I
recall (I can pull the MID for your reply, if you'd like), you
claimed I'd be in serious trouble for doing it. So, knowing I
wouldn't be in any trouble, I went ahead with the doxing for you. I
did ask if you knew what an .nfo file was beforehand. :)

> The property is built on a slope and your 'Lab' is located at the
> back, isn't it? Google knows all, Dustin! ;-)

Actually, no. I've been quite candid concerning the property where my
lab is located. I discussed equipment sitting outside, a large work
garage that's not attached to the house, etc. And, especially
important to me, my dust (no pun intended) problem due to a lack of
grass problem. Which, I'm happy to report, My efforts to seed grass
is showing results. At the rate it's growing, I might even get to mow
it once or twice before the fall. This *should* greatly reduce the
dust problem; My heavy machinery doesn't like it.

I even went so far as to mention that I spent sometime spraying one
of my pieces of equipment with a water hose; because it was yellow
when I put it where it is, and, I knew rust didn't turn it a shit
brown color that fast.

Google knows much, but, all simply isn't possible. It learns new
things every day. As it's still having to learn/store data, it can't
know 'all' Maybe one day, though. Doubtful, but, maybe.

As far as google having a gsv of my actual meatspace, I tried it this
morning with my actual physical address; it doesn't recognize it. As
I also mentioned having no neighbors near me, and having to make sure
I don't run near empty (or I won't be getting back to civilization),
it's pretty obvious the url you've shared doesn't have my house in
it. They seem to have neighbors, real close. I couldn't fire my guns
off my back porch, on either level, if I had neighbors that close to
me. Local law here.

Where could I possibly keep a backhoe, skid, and bobcat in the url
you shared, outside, David? Or, my military surplus diesel
generators? How about my pile of copper wire and other metals that I
keep an eye on with digital video cameras. I see no place to store
any of that stuff with the url you shared. But, if I walk outside, I
can see my stuff (I can always just look up and see it on a video
screen too, but, that's besides the point) Oh, and one more thing, I
didn't claim to live at the place where the short video was created,
either. And, if you think my lab is that small, computer wise, you're
a bigger idiot than I already know you to be. Plus, we have the age
of the video to consider. I intentionally created it using a low
quality camera, and, I did some post production work to make the
video that much more degraded (on a PC, never a mac!), but, not to
the point where it was completely unwatchable. And finally, I used a
lossy codec (XviD) to create the resulting avi file that you retained
and attempted to alter further on a mac, when you managed to lose the
entire audio track, and somehow, work from your master copy; thereby,
fucking yourself quite nicely in the process.

I did provide you a copy of the same file that you illegally retained
from my website though. The thing is, as you've learned, the .zip
file itself is encrypted, and, you can't seem to locate anyone with
enough smarts to break the cypher and unlock the contents for you.
It's been over a year now. Any progress? Rhetorical question. If you
could (or someone you know could) decrypt the .zip and get to the
video for you, that's what you would have used on your youtube
channel. As you've also learned, the encryption isn't the built in
stuff typical archiving apps can use, either.

And as you've freely shared with everybody, you've also learned that
miekemos (the lead malware researcher for Malwarebytes) *IS*
incompetent with regard to anything that's not script/macro based.
As, that's her only field of 'expertise' and, I use the term, very
loosely. I can't tell you how much I laughed my ass off when I
learned who it was that was trying to help you out. That doesn't say
much for the companies ability to actually keep you safe from modern
threats. Which is what I've been writing about them for years. You,
being the wannabe that you actually are, only helped to CONFIRM what
I'd already been writing about the companies realistic abilities.

They have a kickass, dishonest as hell, marketing/advertising/pr
group, but, the seme cannot be said for their other departments.
Which is why I advise people not to drink the koolaid and replace
their antivirus program with the Malwarebytes package. As, the
Malwarebytes program doesn't have the right type of crew with a solid
coding background to be able to make good on the claims. They'll have
to either hire competent coders capable of reverse engineering
malicious executables, or, buy out another smaller antivirus
antimalware company and rebrand it. Which is exactly what they did to
create the mac version. :)

The coder recruitment problem they have stems from how things are
hanlded internally. They offend more than they help, and, can't keep
many good coders on payroll as a result. But, hey, Marcin does win
awards and he's a good talker in public. I bet he could sell a
truckload of ice to an eskimo. That's something, right? :)


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David B.
2017-05-23 20:02:50 UTC
Permalink
On 5/23/2017 7:52 PM, Diesel wrote:
[....]

> But, hey, Marcin does win
> awards and he's a good talker in public. I bet he could sell a
> truckload of ice to an eskimo. That's something, right? :)

Right! :-)

Here's you, Dustin, posing outside 108 Warrior Dr
Colonial Heights, Kingsport, Tennessee

https://www.dropbox.com/s/sulg6m5a38mlrgl/Dustin%20Cook%20and%20his%20white%20van.tiff?dl=0

If this is NOT your home (with your Lab in the basement) just WHOSE home
*IS* it?!!!

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Diesel
2017-05-24 00:44:15 UTC
Permalink
"David B." <***@nomail.afraid.org>
news:og24ap$uhv$***@dont-email.me Tue, 23 May 2017 20:02:50 GMT in
alt.2600, wrote:

> On 5/23/2017 7:52 PM, Diesel wrote:
> [....]
>
>> But, hey, Marcin does win
>> awards and he's a good talker in public. I bet he could sell a
>> truckload of ice to an eskimo. That's something, right? :)
>
> Right! :-)

I'm glad we agree on that David.

> Here's you, Dustin, posing outside 108 Warrior Dr
> Colonial Heights, Kingsport, Tennessee

Are you sure about that? Colonial Heights and Kingsport are one in
the same. As is Lynn Garden, Sullivan Gardens, etc. I personally
refer to them as 'sub divisions' of kingsport. I'm sure there's a
proper term for it, but, I don't know it. It's something that's taken
me years, literally, to get used to.


> If this is NOT your home (with your Lab in the basement) just
> WHOSE home *IS* it?!!!

It's not my home anymore so than the other addresses you provided
are. including the one that started this problem you have with me,
initially.

And, I couldn't help but notice, you didn't address ANY of the points
I raised in the lengthy post, nor did you answer any of the questions
presented to you. Perhaps you forgot that your comment as well as my
reply was crossposted to rec.photo.digital? As I wrote initially
there when I tried to warn them about you, you're a stalker. A failed
one, but, a stalker non the less.

You're doing a fine job of confirming what I wrote about you in that
newsgroup. If they still don't see you for what you are, after the
previous post that you neglected (ever so carefully, or so you
thought) to comment on/answer any questions raised, then, there's
just no hope for any of them, and, you should be able to play them
like a fiddle without any real effort on your part. Which *should*
please you greatly, considering how often you fail to find such
gullible people.

Btw, the video showed two computers and two desks. Which is a problem
for the LAB itself, as it contains several more computers (not even
including the laptops) and more physical space to store them. Either
the LAB ggrew larger over night, or, the video wan't showing all of
the equipment and gear in the LAB. Knowing me, I'd opt for the latter
on that.

This reply has also been crossposted, because, well, you couldn't
have provided a better example of what I warned them you were if you
tried. :-)

In fact, not one single post have you denied ANYTHING I wrote about
you, or your actions, or the reason you've been trying to locate my
actual meatspace. Not one single time. Sometimes, David, silence on
the issued raised concerning you are very telling. <BFG>

http://picpaste.com/RqBgftvA.jpg

Nice isn't it? I think it's an excellent postcard picture myself.
Fits you, quite nicely. And, it's something you've had coming for a
very long time, too. How long did you think you'd be able to violate
my copyrights and continue attempting to stalk me without a nasty
response in return?

At the end of the day, David, some of us see you for what you
actually are, The only ones who don't are the gullible suckers you
reel in to do your bidding, because, your unable to learn how things
work on your own. You're a drunkard stalker who has many issues irl
as a result of your excessive drinking problem.

With all of that said, If you'd like to provide a better pic of Nicks
gravesite, you know how to reach me. As long as the resultion is
superior to what's already on the postcard, we'll switch over to it.

One caveat, though. We're unable to change the picture releases
already sent to distro. As once distro has the release, it's read-
only from that point forward.



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Please be patient. I will get to you shortly.
burfordTjustice
2017-05-24 11:26:01 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 24 May 2017 00:44:15 -0000 (UTC)
Diesel <***@privacy.net> wrote:

> It's not my home anymore

there is no proof of that,

then there is, after the street view was posted it got blurred.

Hmmmm
Shadow
2017-05-24 12:16:08 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 23 May 2017 21:02:50 +0100, "David B."
<***@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

https://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php

>
>If this is NOT your home (with your Lab in the basement) just WHOSE home
>*IS* it?!!!

One of your ex-"friends", maybe ?
Seems he got to know you very well.

PS Why are you posting personal details in a photo group ?
[]'s
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Diesel
2017-05-24 13:01:17 UTC
Permalink
Shadow <***@dow.br> news:***@4ax.com
Wed, 24 May 2017 12:16:08 GMT in alt.2600, wrote:

> On Tue, 23 May 2017 21:02:50 +0100, "David B."
> <***@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>
> https://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php
>
>>
>>If this is NOT your home (with your Lab in the basement) just
>>WHOSE home *IS* it?!!!
>
> One of your ex-"friends", maybe ?
> Seems he got to know you very well.
>
> PS Why are you posting personal details in a photo group ?
> []'s

ROFL. He thinks he's got some help. Checkout the post here:
Message-ID: <2feede56-69c1-4899-a9de-***@googlegroups.com>

And mine here:
Message-ID: <***@p8FUa01Ty2819Ab32KAEB4rM336pWn37.Fgt8w5hZ8tK7.0YLdtt5ez6Q1Ql2L9>

Gotta love google groupies!

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nospam
2017-05-22 17:33:40 UTC
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In article <ofu5gm$t8r$***@dont-email.me>, RJH <***@gmx.com> wrote:

> >>> you should tell him what version of lame you use to encode your
> >>> 44.1kHz CDs. it might impress him.
> >>
> >> I'd be wasting my time. You already lost him at encode.
> >> Maybe you can educate him on the amazing sound quality of vinyl?
> >
> > vinyl is nowhere near as good as what cds are capable of.
>
> By whichever technical measure you pluck from the air. The fact remains
> that some people prefer listening to vinyl.

this isn't about what some people prefer. people can listen to vinyl
all they want. nobody cares.

the fact is that the audio quality of vinyl is inferior to digital
audio, just as film is inferior to digital photography, both of which
can be mathematically proven.

> Deal with it ;-)

deal with the facts, that vinyl and film have both been surpassed.
Fakey's Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus ๐Ÿถ็ฌ›
2017-05-22 20:05:37 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 22 May 2017 13:33:40 -0400, LO AND BEHOLD; "nospam
<***@nospam.invalid>" determined that the following was of great
importance and subsequently decided to freely share it with us in
<220520171333408517%***@nospam.invalid>:

>In article <ofu5gm$t8r$***@dont-email.me>, RJH <***@gmx.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>you should tell him what version of lame you use to encode your 44.1kHz
>>>>>CDs. it might impress him.
>>>>I'd be wasting my time. You already lost him at encode. Maybe you can
>>>>educate him on the amazing sound quality of vinyl?
>>>vinyl is nowhere near as good as what cds are capable of.
>>By whichever technical measure you pluck from the air. The fact remains
>>that some people prefer listening to vinyl.
>
>this isn't about what some people prefer. people can listen to vinyl all
>they want. nobody cares.
>
>the fact is that the audio quality of vinyl is inferior to digital
>audio, just as film is inferior to digital photography, both of which
>can be mathematically proven.
>
>>Deal with it ;-)
>
>deal with the facts, that vinyl and film have both been surpassed.

44.1kHz digitally sampled recording of analog masters are definitely NOT "better than" vinyl pressed from those masters, IMO.

there's no way you're going to convince me that you can ignore huge chunks of data in between the sampling points and come up with something "better".

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nospam
2017-05-22 20:26:52 UTC
Permalink
In article <RvydnfZM0qMM2b7EnZ2dnUU7-***@giganews.com>, Fakey's
Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus ?? <***@127.0.0.1> wrote:

>
> 44.1kHz digitally sampled recording of analog masters are definitely NOT
> "better than" vinyl pressed from those masters, IMO.

you're wrong. simple as that.

and masters have been digital for several decades, with quality well in
excess of anything vinyl can ever hope to do.

> there's no way you're going to convince me that you can ignore huge chunks of
> data in between the sampling points and come up with something "better".

nothing is ignored.

the fact is that digital audio surpasses analog audio in every way. you
can downgrade digital audio to sound like analog audio (by adding
distortion or pops or whatever), but you can't make analog sound as
good as digital.
Fakey's Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus ๐Ÿถ็ฌ›
2017-05-22 21:18:18 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 22 May 2017 16:26:52 -0400, LO AND BEHOLD; "nospam
<***@nospam.invalid>" determined that the following was of great
importance and subsequently decided to freely share it with us in
<220520171626522004%***@nospam.invalid>:

>In article <RvydnfZM0qMM2b7EnZ2dnUU7-***@giganews.com>, Fakey's ๐Ÿถ
>Whistle Holder Emeritus ?? <***@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
>>44.1kHz digitally sampled recording of analog masters are definitely NOT
>>"better than" vinyl pressed from those masters, IMO.
>
>you're wrong. simple as that.
>
>and masters have been digital for several decades, with quality well in
>excess of anything vinyl can ever hope to do.
>
>>there's no way you're going to convince me that you can ignore huge
>>chunks of data in between the sampling points and come up with
>>something "better".
>
>nothing is ignored.

it most certainly is ignored. if i take a sample at times 1, 2, and 3 i can only make a guess as to what the amplitude of the signal is at time 1.5... or 1.58... or 1.599999999999999... and that's exactly what your digital players do, the "guess" at the signal in between samples. i think you need to read up on "oversampling" in CD players. matsushita had something called MASH in their higher-end CD hardware.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta-sigma_modulation#Decimation_structures

all of this extra technology and signal processing, mind you, just to get a bit closer to the pure analog sound that was originally digitized.

if you have to "guess" at what the signal amplitude is between samples, you don't have a "lossless" medium. period. all digital is lossless. 44.1kHz sampling rate is not better than being at a concert or hearing high-speed tape masters nor will it sound any better than virgin vinyl on a properly set up system.

surely you don't think that digital recording of analog sounds is anything more than an auditory-pixelated (and by definition, lossy) representation of a continuous analog signal?

>the fact is that digital audio surpasses analog audio in every way. you
>can downgrade digital audio to sound like analog audio (by adding
>distortion or pops or whatever), but you can't make analog sound as
>good as digital.

question. so how is it "digital" anymore when it's played back through analog equipment into a very real analog world moving analog air to vibrate our analog eardrums? i don't know of any "digital loudspeaker" or "digital class-A amplifier" manufacturers. perhaps you know better about those sort of things?

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-

"If I have a complaint about the (Southern Poverty) Law Center's description (of the alt-right movement), it is the phrase "heavy use of social media," which implies the alt-right is a real-world movement which uses a lot of social media. This is backwards: it is an online movement which occasionally appears in the real world. Where it gets punched." - Jason Rhode

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KOTM, November 2006
Bob Allisat Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker, November 2006
Special Ops Cody Memorial Purple Heart, November 2006
Special Ops Cody Memorial Purple Heart, September 2007
Tony Sidaway Memorial "Drama Queen" Award, November 2006
Busted Urinal Award, April 2007
Order of the Holey Sockpuppet, September 2007
Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle, September 2006
Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle, April 2008
Tinfoil Sombrero, February 2007
AUK Mascot, September 2007
Putting the Awards Out of Order to Screw With the OCD Fuckheads, March 2016
nospam
2017-05-22 21:41:54 UTC
Permalink
In article <X6mdnSdUtpsHyL7EnZ2dnUU7-***@giganews.com>, Fakey's
Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus ?? <***@127.0.0.1> wrote:

> >>there's no way you're going to convince me that you can ignore huge
> >>chunks of data in between the sampling points and come up with
> >>something "better".
> >
> >nothing is ignored.
>
> it most certainly is ignored.

nothing is ignored. you don't understand sampling theory.

> if i take a sample at times 1, 2, and 3 i can
> only make a guess as to what the amplitude of the signal is at time 1.5... or
> 1.58... or 1.599999999999999... and that's exactly what your digital players
> do, the "guess" at the signal in between samples.

nope. there is no guessing.

> i think you need to read
> up on "oversampling" in CD players. matsushita had something called MASH in
> their higher-end CD hardware.

you need to read about the basics of sampling theory and what
oversampling means.

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta-sigma_modulation#Decimation_structures
>
> all of this extra technology and signal processing, mind you, just to get a
> bit closer to the pure analog sound that was originally digitized.

nope.

> if you have to "guess" at what the signal amplitude is between samples, you
> don't have a "lossless" medium. period. all digital is lossless. 44.1kHz
> sampling rate is not better than being at a concert or hearing high-speed
> tape masters nor will it sound any better than virgin vinyl on a properly set
> up system.

it's not guessing.

> surely you don't think that digital recording of analog sounds is anything
> more than an auditory-pixelated (and by definition, lossy) representation of
> a continuous analog signal?

it's been mathematically proven that an input signal can be digitally
sampled and perfectly reproduced.

> >the fact is that digital audio surpasses analog audio in every way. you
> >can downgrade digital audio to sound like analog audio (by adding
> >distortion or pops or whatever), but you can't make analog sound as
> >good as digital.
>
> question. so how is it "digital" anymore when it's played back through
> analog equipment into a very real analog world moving analog air to vibrate
> our analog eardrums? i don't know of any "digital loudspeaker" or "digital
> class-A amplifier" manufacturers. perhaps you know better about those
> sort of things?

yes, the digital data is ultimately converted to analog so you can hear
it. so what?
Ron C
2017-05-23 02:40:39 UTC
Permalink
On 5/22/2017 5:41 PM, nospam wrote:
> In article <X6mdnSdUtpsHyL7EnZ2dnUU7-***@giganews.com>, Fakey's
> Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus ?? <***@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
>>>> there's no way you're going to convince me that you can ignore huge
>>>> chunks of data in between the sampling points and come up with
>>>> something "better".
>>>
>>> nothing is ignored.
>>
>> it most certainly is ignored.
>
> nothing is ignored. you don't understand sampling theory.
>
>> if i take a sample at times 1, 2, and 3 i can
>> only make a guess as to what the amplitude of the signal is at time 1.5... or
>> 1.58... or 1.599999999999999... and that's exactly what your digital players
>> do, the "guess" at the signal in between samples.
>
> nope. there is no guessing.
>
>> i think you need to read
>> up on "oversampling" in CD players. matsushita had something called MASH in
>> their higher-end CD hardware.
>
> you need to read about the basics of sampling theory and what
> oversampling means.
>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta-sigma_modulation#Decimation_structures
>>
>> all of this extra technology and signal processing, mind you, just to get a
>> bit closer to the pure analog sound that was originally digitized.
>
> nope.
>
>> if you have to "guess" at what the signal amplitude is between samples, you
>> don't have a "lossless" medium. period. all digital is lossless. 44.1kHz
>> sampling rate is not better than being at a concert or hearing high-speed
>> tape masters nor will it sound any better than virgin vinyl on a properly set
>> up system.
>
> it's not guessing.
>
>> surely you don't think that digital recording of analog sounds is anything
>> more than an auditory-pixelated (and by definition, lossy) representation of
>> a continuous analog signal?
>
> it's been mathematically proven that an input signal can be digitally
> sampled and perfectly reproduced.
>
>>> the fact is that digital audio surpasses analog audio in every way. you
>>> can downgrade digital audio to sound like analog audio (by adding
>>> distortion or pops or whatever), but you can't make analog sound as
>>> good as digital.
>>
>> question. so how is it "digital" anymore when it's played back through
>> analog equipment into a very real analog world moving analog air to vibrate
>> our analog eardrums? i don't know of any "digital loudspeaker" or "digital
>> class-A amplifier" manufacturers. perhaps you know better about those
>> sort of things?
>
> yes, the digital data is ultimately converted to analog so you can hear
> it. so what?
>
You seem to avoid the term bandlimited in your responses.
Band limiting is a key to understanding sampling theory.

In the [Nyquist] limit the maximum rate of change is zero.
Thus at that limit NO change can take place between samples.

Conversely, at zero frequency the maximum rate of change
is Nyquist limited to half the sampling rate.

Think Heisenberg .. within the "band" you can't [within limits] know
the frequency AND amplitude at the same time.

[OK, maybe a bit of hand waving in that explanation.]
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Later....
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2017-05-23 07:28:43 UTC
Permalink
On 22/05/2017 18:33, nospam wrote:
> In article <ofu5gm$t8r$***@dont-email.me>, RJH <***@gmx.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> you should tell him what version of lame you use to encode your
>>>>> 44.1kHz CDs. it might impress him.
>>>>
>>>> I'd be wasting my time. You already lost him at encode.
>>>> Maybe you can educate him on the amazing sound quality of vinyl?
>>>
>>> vinyl is nowhere near as good as what cds are capable of.
>>
>> By whichever technical measure you pluck from the air. The fact remains
>> that some people prefer listening to vinyl.
>
> this isn't about what some people prefer. people can listen to vinyl
> all they want. nobody cares.
>

Of course some people care.

> the fact is that the audio quality of vinyl is inferior to digital
> audio, just as film is inferior to digital photography, both of which
> can be mathematically proven.
>

Nope, can't agree. You suggested that 'vinyl is nowhere near as good as
what cds are capable of'. At what? Satisfying technical tests? Or
sounding good? Or is there something else?


>> Deal with it ;-)
>
> deal with the facts, that vinyl and film have both been surpassed.
>

Which is not the point. Some people still prefer the results - a
significant and growing minority in the case of vinyl.

Many things have been 'surpassed' - steam trains, CRT TVs, hifi in
general - even electric light, and don't get me started on food. Yet
many feel the original did a better job of doing what it was designed to
do.

The variables you choose and the method of measurement determine which
is 'nowhere near as good'. If you define variables as only those capable
of mathematical expression, then yes, we have a problem resolving this
'good' question.

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nospam
2017-05-23 16:46:41 UTC
Permalink
In article <og0o4u$uv2$***@dont-email.me>, RJH <***@gmx.com> wrote:

> >>> vinyl is nowhere near as good as what cds are capable of.
> >>
> >> By whichever technical measure you pluck from the air. The fact remains
> >> that some people prefer listening to vinyl.
> >
> > this isn't about what some people prefer. people can listen to vinyl
> > all they want. nobody cares.
>
> Of course some people care.

very few, if any.

> > the fact is that the audio quality of vinyl is inferior to digital
> > audio, just as film is inferior to digital photography, both of which
> > can be mathematically proven.
>
> Nope, can't agree.

it doesn't matter whether you agree or not. facts don't need your
approval to be correct.

the fact is that vinyl cannot reproduce audio as accurately as digital
audio and film cannot reproduce scenes as accurately as digital
photography can.

tl;dr - vinyl and film are inferior mediums. simple as that.

> You suggested that 'vinyl is nowhere near as good as
> what cds are capable of'. At what? Satisfying technical tests? Or
> sounding good? Or is there something else?

again, digital audio reproduces sound more accurately than vinyl can
ever hope to do. it's just how it is.

about the only thing vinyl can do better is that it can be used for art:
<https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/02/9b/67/029b678548516c7423f5
a63ad74c349c.jpg>

> >> Deal with it ;-)
> >
> > deal with the facts, that vinyl and film have both been surpassed.
>
> Which is not the point.

it is the point.

> Some people still prefer the results

this isn't about what someone prefers.

it's about an objective comparison of the quality and accuracy of two
mediums in reproducing sound.

> - a
> significant and growing minority in the case of vinyl.

nope. people are buying vinyl for nostalgic reasons, not for how it
sounds (and they often don't even listen to it).

vinyl sales are nowhere near as much as some might think. sales are up
*slightly* and remain almost nothing compared to other formats. even cd
sales are down, having been replaced with online music and streaming.

<http://4dpavshx5ly3quwy2v9yv83i.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uplo
ads/2015/01/vinylunits.jpg>
<http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/4d5ea2acccd1d54e7c030000/music-
industry.jpg>

> Many things have been 'surpassed' - steam trains, CRT TVs, hifi in
> general - even electric light, and don't get me started on food. Yet
> many feel the original did a better job of doing what it was designed to
> do.

many people are wrong. nothing new there.

> The variables you choose and the method of measurement determine which
> is 'nowhere near as good'. If you define variables as only those capable
> of mathematical expression, then yes, we have a problem resolving this
> 'good' question.

i'm not choosing anything.

the simple objective and indisputable fact is that digital audio can
reproduce sounds more accurately than vinyl. period.

some people might prefer lower quality sound for whatever reason, but
that's their own *subjective* *preference*.
Uncle Monster
2017-05-23 09:41:17 UTC
Permalink
On Saturday, May 20, 2017 at 9:03:37 AM UTC-5, Diesel wrote:
> "David B." <***@nomail.afraid.org> news:ofms3d$bb1$***@dont-email.me
> Fri, 19 May 2017 13:34:48 GMT in alt.2600, wrote:
>
> > On 5/17/2017 12:43 PM, burfordTjustice wrote:
> >> On Tue, 16 May 2017 17:56:31 +0100
> >> "David B." <***@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> whole HHI team
> >>
> >> what proof do you have there is more than just him?
> >
> > I only have Dustin Cook's word - but I believe him on this matter.
>
> You should know by now that burpandfart isn't the brightest bulb in
> the set. It's filament burned out a long time ago...
>
> Why do you believe me on this matter, and, not other matters, David?
>
> And why did you try (again) to solicit another to help you deal with
> me?
>
> MID: <C87RA.739350$***@fx27.fr7>
> http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=149456200100
>
> Just what did you hope to accomplish? They can't help you. Nobody can
> help you, David. When are you going to learn that? I feel as if you
> owe me, and, until I feel that we're square, Things like this:
>
> http://picpaste.com/RqBgftvA.jpg
>
> And more, will continue, for what you did. I wouldn't help you do
> nefarious things to forum sites. I was more than willing to analyze
> any malware you could provide a url to, but, I wasn't willing to do
> any blackhat hacking for your benefit. And, our email correspondence,
> in it's entirely in the order it was sent/received backs my
> statements concerning you. I don't care if some individuals are
> 'afraid' of a .zip file, either. Their loss, I hope you stalk them
> with ease, as I've little doubt you will if you think they can be of
> use to you.
>
> http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk/bdemail1.zip
>
> For that, you thought it was okay to try and dox me and place myself
> and loved ones in danger? Not cool, David. And, like I always said,
> your 'apology' and claimed understanding of what you did when you
> spoke to Aardvark in person was pure bullshit by you. You just told
> him what he wanted to hear (likely because he was within physical
> reach of your wrinked old ass and could have done a number on you had
> you been honest instead) and tried to bullshit me as well.
>
> So, now that our 'history' is well known, would you care to explain
> why you decided to try and dox me the first time? What did you think
> you'd accomplish by doing that, David? Why did you go out of your way
> to make me an enemy?
>
> Oh, and, btw, I added the rec.photo.digital to this reply which will
> generate a new thread. I think the participants of that newsgroup
> should be made aware of you and your bad habits. And well, you sort
> of invited me with your plead for assistance in dealing with me.
> --
>

Is a "Stalking Weasel" something like a "Stalking Horse"? Wouldn't it be really hard to hide behind a weasel silhouette? โŠ™.โ˜‰

[8~{} Uncle Curious Monster
Diesel
2017-05-23 18:49:55 UTC
Permalink
Uncle Monster <***@gmail.com>
news:dc03eaa1-490f-4de5-ad29-***@googlegroups.com Tue, 23
May 2017 09:41:17 GMT in alt.2600, wrote:

> On Saturday, May 20, 2017 at 9:03:37 AM UTC-5, Diesel wrote:
>> "David B." <***@nomail.afraid.org>
>> news:ofms3d$bb1$***@dont-email.me Fri, 19 May 2017 13:34:48 GMT in
>> alt.2600, wrote:
>>
>> > On 5/17/2017 12:43 PM, burfordTjustice wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 16 May 2017 17:56:31 +0100
>> >> "David B." <***@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> whole HHI team
>> >>
>> >> what proof do you have there is more than just him?
>> >
>> > I only have Dustin Cook's word - but I believe him on this
>> > matter.
>>
>> You should know by now that burpandfart isn't the brightest bulb
>> in the set. It's filament burned out a long time ago...
>>
>> Why do you believe me on this matter, and, not other matters,
>> David?
>>
>> And why did you try (again) to solicit another to help you deal
>> with me?
>>
>> MID: <C87RA.739350$***@fx27.fr7>
>> http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=149456200100
>>
>> Just what did you hope to accomplish? They can't help you. Nobody
>> can help you, David. When are you going to learn that? I feel as
>> if you owe me, and, until I feel that we're square, Things like
>> this:
>>
>> http://picpaste.com/RqBgftvA.jpg
>>
>> And more, will continue, for what you did. I wouldn't help you do
>> nefarious things to forum sites. I was more than willing to
>> analyze any malware you could provide a url to, but, I wasn't
>> willing to do any blackhat hacking for your benefit. And, our
>> email correspondence, in it's entirely in the order it was
>> sent/received backs my statements concerning you. I don't care if
>> some individuals are 'afraid' of a .zip file, either. Their loss,
>> I hope you stalk them with ease, as I've little doubt you will if
>> you think they can be of use to you.
>>
>> http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk/bdemail1.zip
>>
>> For that, you thought it was okay to try and dox me and place
>> myself and loved ones in danger? Not cool, David. And, like I
>> always said, your 'apology' and claimed understanding of what you
>> did when you spoke to Aardvark in person was pure bullshit by
>> you. You just told him what he wanted to hear (likely because he
>> was within physical reach of your wrinked old ass and could have
>> done a number on you had you been honest instead) and tried to
>> bullshit me as well.
>>
>> So, now that our 'history' is well known, would you care to
>> explain why you decided to try and dox me the first time? What
>> did you think you'd accomplish by doing that, David? Why did you
>> go out of your way to make me an enemy?
>>
>> Oh, and, btw, I added the rec.photo.digital to this reply which
>> will generate a new thread. I think the participants of that
>> newsgroup should be made aware of you and your bad habits. And
>> well, you sort of invited me with your plead for assistance in
>> dealing with me. --
>>
>
> Is a "Stalking Weasel" something like a "Stalking Horse"? Wouldn't
> it be really hard to hide behind a weasel silhouette?

I realize that you consider Trader a bit of a troll, but, your reply
seems to indicate that you're more of a troll yourself, than anything
else of value.



--
I would like to apologize for not having offended you yet.
Please be patient. I will get to you shortly.
Uncle Monster
2017-05-24 00:39:34 UTC
Permalink
On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 at 1:53:24 PM UTC-5, Diesel wrote:
> Uncle Monster <eat-***@gmail.com>
> news:dc03eaa1-490f-4de5-ad29-***@googlegroups.com Tue, 23
> May 2017 09:41:17 GMT in alt.2600, wrote:
>
> > On Saturday, May 20, 2017 at 9:03:37 AM UTC-5, Diesel wrote:
> >> "David B." <***@nomail.afraid.org>
> >> news:ofms3d$bb1$***@dont-email.me Fri, 19 May 2017 13:34:48 GMT in
> >> alt.2600, wrote:
> >>
> >> > On 5/17/2017 12:43 PM, burfordTjustice wrote:
> >> >> On Tue, 16 May 2017 17:56:31 +0100
> >> >> "David B." <***@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> whole HHI team
> >> >>
> >> >> what proof do you have there is more than just him?
> >> >
> >> > I only have Dustin Cook's word - but I believe him on this
> >> > matter.
> >>
> >> You should know by now that burpandfart isn't the brightest bulb
> >> in the set. It's filament burned out a long time ago...
> >>
> >> Why do you believe me on this matter, and, not other matters,
> >> David?
> >>
> >> And why did you try (again) to solicit another to help you deal
> >> with me?
> >>
> >> MID: <C87RA.739350$***@fx27.fr7>
> >> http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=149456200100
> >>
> >> Just what did you hope to accomplish? They can't help you. Nobody
> >> can help you, David. When are you going to learn that? I feel as
> >> if you owe me, and, until I feel that we're square, Things like
> >> this:
> >>
> >> http://picpaste.com/RqBgftvA.jpg
> >>
> >> And more, will continue, for what you did. I wouldn't help you do
> >> nefarious things to forum sites. I was more than willing to
> >> analyze any malware you could provide a url to, but, I wasn't
> >> willing to do any blackhat hacking for your benefit. And, our
> >> email correspondence, in it's entirely in the order it was
> >> sent/received backs my statements concerning you. I don't care if
> >> some individuals are 'afraid' of a .zip file, either. Their loss,
> >> I hope you stalk them with ease, as I've little doubt you will if
> >> you think they can be of use to you.
> >>
> >> http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk/bdemail1.zip
> >>
> >> For that, you thought it was okay to try and dox me and place
> >> myself and loved ones in danger? Not cool, David. And, like I
> >> always said, your 'apology' and claimed understanding of what you
> >> did when you spoke to Aardvark in person was pure bullshit by
> >> you. You just told him what he wanted to hear (likely because he
> >> was within physical reach of your wrinked old ass and could have
> >> done a number on you had you been honest instead) and tried to
> >> bullshit me as well.
> >>
> >> So, now that our 'history' is well known, would you care to
> >> explain why you decided to try and dox me the first time? What
> >> did you think you'd accomplish by doing that, David? Why did you
> >> go out of your way to make me an enemy?
> >>
> >> Oh, and, btw, I added the rec.photo.digital to this reply which
> >> will generate a new thread. I think the participants of that
> >> newsgroup should be made aware of you and your bad habits. And
> >> well, you sort of invited me with your plead for assistance in
> >> dealing with me. --
> >>
> > Is a "Stalking Weasel" something like a "Stalking Horse"? Wouldn't
> > it be really hard to hide behind a weasel silhouette?
>
> I realize that you consider Trader a bit of a troll, but, your reply
> seems to indicate that you're more of a troll yourself, than anything
> else of value.
> --
>

HISSY, "Humor Irony Sarcasm impairment SYndrome". A common ailment afflicting many of the denizens of Usenet who take themselves TOO seriously. When someone thus afflicted encounters a bit of humor they don't comprehend, the poor soul will often have a HISSY fit. I pity you. Consider therapy. ใƒฝ(ใƒ…)ใƒŽ

[8~{} Uncle Concerned Monster
Diesel
2017-05-24 12:38:05 UTC
Permalink
Uncle Monster <***@gmail.com>
news:7de2d140-ad17-4ae6-b161-***@googlegroups.com Wed, 24
May 2017 00:39:34 GMT in alt.2600, wrote:

> On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 at 1:53:24 PM UTC-5, Diesel wrote:
>> Uncle Monster <eat-***@gmail.com>
>> news:dc03eaa1-490f-4de5-ad29-***@googlegroups.com Tue,
>> 23 May 2017 09:41:17 GMT in alt.2600, wrote:
>>
>> > On Saturday, May 20, 2017 at 9:03:37 AM UTC-5, Diesel wrote:
>> >> "David B." <***@nomail.afraid.org>
>> >> news:ofms3d$bb1$***@dont-email.me Fri, 19 May 2017 13:34:48 GMT
>> >> in alt.2600, wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On 5/17/2017 12:43 PM, burfordTjustice wrote:
>> >> >> On Tue, 16 May 2017 17:56:31 +0100
>> >> >> "David B." <***@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> whole HHI team
>> >> >>
>> >> >> what proof do you have there is more than just him?
>> >> >
>> >> > I only have Dustin Cook's word - but I believe him on this
>> >> > matter.
>> >>
>> >> You should know by now that burpandfart isn't the brightest
>> >> bulb in the set. It's filament burned out a long time ago...
>> >>
>> >> Why do you believe me on this matter, and, not other matters,
>> >> David?
>> >>
>> >> And why did you try (again) to solicit another to help you
>> >> deal with me?
>> >>
>> >> MID: <C87RA.739350$***@fx27.fr7>
>> >> http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=149456200100
>> >>
>> >> Just what did you hope to accomplish? They can't help you.
>> >> Nobody can help you, David. When are you going to learn that?
>> >> I feel as if you owe me, and, until I feel that we're square,
>> >> Things like this:
>> >>
>> >> http://picpaste.com/RqBgftvA.jpg
>> >>
>> >> And more, will continue, for what you did. I wouldn't help you
>> >> do nefarious things to forum sites. I was more than willing to
>> >> analyze any malware you could provide a url to, but, I wasn't
>> >> willing to do any blackhat hacking for your benefit. And, our
>> >> email correspondence, in it's entirely in the order it was
>> >> sent/received backs my statements concerning you. I don't care
>> >> if some individuals are 'afraid' of a .zip file, either. Their
>> >> loss, I hope you stalk them with ease, as I've little doubt
>> >> you will if you think they can be of use to you.
>> >>
>> >> http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk/bdemail1.zip
>> >>
>> >> For that, you thought it was okay to try and dox me and place
>> >> myself and loved ones in danger? Not cool, David. And, like I
>> >> always said, your 'apology' and claimed understanding of what
>> >> you did when you spoke to Aardvark in person was pure bullshit
>> >> by you. You just told him what he wanted to hear (likely
>> >> because he was within physical reach of your wrinked old ass
>> >> and could have done a number on you had you been honest
>> >> instead) and tried to bullshit me as well.
>> >>
>> >> So, now that our 'history' is well known, would you care to
>> >> explain why you decided to try and dox me the first time? What
>> >> did you think you'd accomplish by doing that, David? Why did
>> >> you go out of your way to make me an enemy?
>> >>
>> >> Oh, and, btw, I added the rec.photo.digital to this reply
>> >> which will generate a new thread. I think the participants of
>> >> that newsgroup should be made aware of you and your bad
>> >> habits. And well, you sort of invited me with your plead for
>> >> assistance in dealing with me. --
>> >>
>> > Is a "Stalking Weasel" something like a "Stalking Horse"?
>> > Wouldn't it be really hard to hide behind a weasel silhouette?
>>
>> I realize that you consider Trader a bit of a troll, but, your
>> reply seems to indicate that you're more of a troll yourself,
>> than anything else of value.
>> --
>>
>
> HISSY, "Humor Irony Sarcasm impairment SYndrome". A common ailment
> afflicting many of the denizens of Usenet who take themselves TOO
> seriously. When someone thus afflicted encounters a bit of humor
> they don't comprehend, the poor soul will often have a HISSY fit.
> I pity you. Consider therapy. รฃยƒล“(รฃยƒย…)รฃยƒยŽ

And yet, you provide no indication that I was wrong with my comment.
I'm not surprised...


--
I would like to apologize for not having offended you yet.
Please be patient. I will get to you shortly.
Uncle Monster
2017-05-27 23:31:12 UTC
Permalink
On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 at 7:41:32 AM UTC-5, Diesel wrote:
> Uncle Monster <>
> news:7de2d140-ad17-4ae6-b161-***@googlegroups.com Wed, 24
> May 2017 00:39:34 GMT in alt.2600, wrote:
> >> >>
> >> > Is a "Stalking Weasel" something like a "Stalking Horse"?
> >> > Wouldn't it be really hard to hide behind a weasel silhouette?
> >>
> >> I realize that you consider Trader a bit of a troll, but, your
> >> reply seems to indicate that you're more of a troll yourself,
> >> than anything else of value.
> >> --
> > HISSY, "Humor Irony Sarcasm impairment SYndrome". A common ailment
> > afflicting many of the denizens of Usenet who take themselves TOO
> > seriously. When someone thus afflicted encounters a bit of humor
> > they don't comprehend, the poor soul will often have a HISSY fit.
> > I pity you. Consider therapy. ใƒฝ(ใƒ…)ใƒŽ
>
> And yet, you provide no indication that I was wrong with my comment.
> I'm not surprised...
> --
>

Well bless your little heart. I know it's difficult for some people to understand arcane references so I try to help them out. This might help you comprehend the humor. ยฏ\_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalking_horse

[8~{} Uncle Teaching Monster
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